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It's not that she's a Mary-Sue, it's just that... there's almost no development of her character (let alone her relationship with Harry) that's on-screen (show, don't tell, JKR!) and makes genuine linear sense. She has a crush on him from the get-go, sure, but for Harry it seems she's just "ok, Ron's sister" for the majority of the books until all of a sudden it's "heyyyyy Ron's sister :D" -- which, um, where the heck did that come from? And then she disappears for most of Deathly Hallows only to show up and kick ass and get the guy at the end. Ookay then.

</two cents from someone who read the books but isn't in HP fandom>

Yeah... I also have this weird feeling about the relationship where, when Ginny is pursuing Harry, he's not even remotely interested. It's not until he starts going after her that they get together, and something about that is weird to me. I can't decide if it's because it reads like 'playing hard to get' or if it has to do with gender roles. But the whole relationship seems very shallow because it's all based in desire, since we get no sense of their chemistry or what he sees in her to start with. Like you said, it happens off-screen, and that makes it feel forced.

When does Ginny pursue Harry ?

Seriously? You don't remember the love song she had sent to him or the cards she sends when he gets hurt?

Of course they're young then, but even those don't even cause him to notice her. He never thinks about them again.

Yes I remember them but I didn't think of them as pursuing I guess. Because they are so young.

He feels bad for Ginny when she gets teased by Malfoy when the card is sent though. And he keeps the signing card in PoA. He did seem to care for her feelings which is more than you could say for his treatment of Hermione at that age.

I just reread the second book recently (with Mark reads HP) and I didn't find Harry feeling sorry for Ginny when Malfoy teases her, he is so humiliated himself over the fact that he was sent a singing valentine, that it seems to be all that's on his mind there. And it serves a plot point with him breaking the ink onto the diary. But you're right that he keeps the singing card (under a pot to keep it quiet), and I think he probably does treat her differently from Hermione, but I just don't see him having any real particular consideration there. I always figured he gave Hermione a hard time because they're friends rather than because he's romantically interested in Ginny as opposed to Hermione (though he obv isn't interested in her that way either).

with Mark reads HP

*Googles*

...Well, I know what I'm doing for the rest of today XD

She "pursued" (and I used that because that's the word you used--I would call it a school girl crush at best because she wouldn't have known what to do with him had she "got" him at that age) him when she was 11 and he was 12. He pursued her at 16 when she was 15. We're talking a huge age difference dynamic. It's the difference between puppy love and a possible sexual relationship.

I don't see gender as having anything to do with it. It's more of a, "Ginny was always interested on some level; Harry had to come around." Had a female been the main character instead of a male, it could have easly played out the same way--but we're focusing on the protag's growth and realizations, not the love interest's. Hence why Harry had to be the one to come around or else we get no growth/change from when he's 12.

MTE.

I get what your saying but the way I see it is Harry doesn't pay any mind to her cause yeah at first she's just Ron's sister but later he see's how she's grown up *insert natural boy hormones to suddenly notice everything with boobs* other than that I agree that she has no character development but I don't think of it as a loss or gain if there was.

Harry didn't suddenly develop sexual hormones before the sixth book, though - he'd been shown to be crushing on Cho as early as the third (?) book, and he took no notice of Ginny then. He doesn't notice her in the sixth book, actually, until he sees her kissing Dean, and then is abruptly overcome with jealousy...without any foreshadowing whatsoever.

I don't see how her (or any character) having developed could be considered anything but an improvement, too. Her lack of character growth was pretty jarring.

Harry's noticed Ginny since day one, he just didn't get it/kept her in the corner of his mind where's she's just Ron's sister. She's always described in the most flattering light even as a little kid. "Bright brown eyes", "fiery red hair"; compared to Hermione and Luna who get stuff like bushy hair, buck teeth, protrubent eyes, etc. very cut and dry. For a character Harry "doesn't notice" until HBP, he sure is telling us quite a bit about her/what she's doing in a scene without her being even relevant to what's happening. Hell, I knew for sure those two would get together at some point by GoF because I couldn't get why the hell Harry kept bringing her up.

In OoTP there was a lot of Cho vs Ginny foreshadowing and he felt different after they had chocolate in the library not to mention Ron's furtive look towards Harry at the end when they are playing chess. There was a whole load of H/G foreshadowing to be honest.

In HBP, he gets annoyed when she goes to sit with Dean in the train and misses her company and is annoyed with Dean beforehand for some reason and he also smelt Ginny in the potion in class so he definitely noticed her before he saw her kissing Dean, he just didn't realize he liked her till then.

You forgot the part where he gets annoyed at the thought of Ginny and Dean on a date.

I thought Harry was noticing Ginny a lot in the fifth book. It seemed pretty obvious to me that he had stopped thinking of her as a little kid by then.

This. So much.

I'm actually annoyed at JKR for not developing her character, and for the way she wrote Harry/Ginny. I've seen fanfiction writers write Harry/Ginny better than her, and they made Ginny look pretty cool, too.

Utterly agree. We get told "She's got a sense of humor!" But she's never given a funny line. We get told "She's popular!" but we never see her interacting with her friends. She's just kind of this amorphous blob of positive adjectives that Harry marries.

And to me, being TOLD ABOUT a character, rather than introduced to a character and allowed to form our own opinion is a Mary Sue trait. "She had gorgeous hair" vs. "Her hair was a soft auburn color"

Also, Harry and Ginny in the books squicked me a little because I got the impression Rowling was pushing "Molly = Mommy. Ron = Brother. Ginny = Sister" And only later realized "Ooooh. She means Molly = Mother-in-law, Ron = Brother-in-law, Ginny = wife" But that was just a personal thing and I'm certainly not going to argue with those who say it differently.

I have to say, Ginny made me laugh quite a bit at various points in the series so I disagree that she's never given a funny line. Though I do agree that her friends are never given names. She hangs out with the trio, Neville and Luna a lot but when she is interacting with other friends, JKR just says she was with her friends.

You also SEE her fiercely defending her friends and family at various points and being able to hold her own so I don't see one instance being a Mary Sue trait. We are told lots about Hermione too for example.

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