[ SECRET POST #1302 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1302 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[caterfree10.livejournal.com]

You got it, I think. I also think that this is the same anon who tl;dr'd me over a comment from a couple days ago railing against Zutara for the exact same reason. Do the words "redemption" and "forgiveness" have no meaning to them, I wonder? :T

[(Anonymous)]

Honey, I forgave the guy that held me up a few years ago and am glad to know he works with some community service organization. Doesn't mean I want to date him.

And it is a valid point. You all get all squicked over the ages. Well a girl falling for a dude who hunted her and her loved ones, hurt her and her loved ones, betrayed her, helped his sister kill her best friend is kind of squicky.

And while I'm not sure who you are speaking of, there are a lot of people who find this to be a big issue with Zutara. Especially considering the reasons you all rip Kataang apart for.

[caterfree10.livejournal.com]

Jeez, it feels like you're trying to guilt me into not liking my ship like some fringe Zutarians like to try and guilt Kataangers into not liking theirs. :|

Look, I get it, you've been through shit with someone and would never want to date him and that's very likely colored how you ship (experiences definitely shape how others ship characters, as I've seen time and again, believe me). Hell, by your logic, she should've have never trusted him to take Aang to the Sun Warriors ruins' to help with their firebending, or help Sokka with their "hunting trip" (as they'd claimed), or to go with her in hunting the Southern Raiders BECAUSE of their horrible, horrible past (and all prior to her forgiving Zuko, might I add!). Not to mention even when he was still technically chasing them in season 2, SHE offered to help help Iroh after Azula hit him with lightning.

Even then, like ignix said below, Katara's anger/hate towards Zuko was more in the realm of her whole "Face of the enemy" thing than the chasing after of Aang. Yes, him chasing Aang was also a reason in the spiel under Ba Sing Se, but her anger at the beginning of TSR? More of "the Fire Nation took my mother away from me". Methinks there was an intentional emphasis there.

I won't deny that Zuko's past transgressions toward the gaang are a reason some people don't like Zutara and that's fine. I don't like Kataang for various reasons (some of which involving my own experiences) and I would like to think that's fine, too. What's so wrong with someone seeing the good in someone else instead of focusing on the shit they've done that they've BOTH clearly moved past? :/

[(Anonymous)]

Bleh, I'm having a weird day. My point was that there is different squick. All week I've seen a ton of stuff against kataang and yet there are some big issues with zutara that are swept aside because it is zutara.

I have no issue with liking zutara. Hell i even like it in au. But that is just one issue I have never understood how people just sweep it aside. It was a big deal in the series and one for her.

And while he was forgiven and he did redeem himself, I don't think her holding and sobbing over a lifeless Aang, caring for his comatose self for weeks, and knowing the reason she is free is because of Iroh sacrificing himself would be just some "shit.".

Like what you want, no one is stopping you.

[ignixferroque.livejournal.com]

Not anon, but it seems to me Katara's big thing with Zuko was that it was more of a "grrrr Fire Nation ruined my life and you happen to be the eldest prince" sort of thing.

Also, I shipped Zutara hard for a while, but it always bothered me how Katara was so willing to fall for or trust Jet and Zuko and then was horribly surprised/hurt when they did an about-face. But that's irrelevant.

I wouldn't use that as ammo in a "why I don't think Zutara would work" argument though, all things considered. She got along with him well enough at certain points, especially after the whole ~revenge~ episode. It still is a little weird, imo, but I'm not going to tl;dr about it since their relationship was obviously resolved in the end.

[caterfree10.livejournal.com]

Mm, I agree with that. That's always how I saw it. Hell, didn't she herself say in her own terms that Zuko was the face of the enemy that took her mother away? Which is pretty much why she didn't like Zuko from the beginning. Damn near EVERYONE in the Fire Nation army wanted to get Aang, honestly. :/

Heck, even then, Katara later forgave them both; Jet before he died and Zuko after he helped her in TSR. And I still have this hunch that had Jet not died, we would've had a deeper relationship between the two similar to how she and Zuko eventually bonded (though how deep the bond would've been/is is up to interpretation).

And yeah, their relationship was resolved, which is why it's hard for me to form a response to it because of said resolution. Ah well. Different people have different experiences and as such have different reactions to different media and AtLA is no different.

[ignixferroque.livejournal.com]

Mm, I agree with that. That's always how I saw it. Hell, didn't she herself say in her own terms that Zuko was the face of the enemy that took her mother away? Which is pretty much why she didn't like Zuko from the beginning. Damn near EVERYONE in the Fire Nation army wanted to get Aang, honestly. :/

See, that's a good reason to say "this is why I don't think Zutara would work." It was somewhat resolved, but that's just how she ended up reacting.

Heck, even then, Katara later forgave them both; Jet before he died and Zuko after he helped her in TSR. And I still have this hunch that had Jet not died, we would've had a deeper relationship between the two similar to how she and Zuko eventually bonded (though how deep the bond would've been/is is up to interpretation).

Yes this. This exactly.

And yeah, their relationship was resolved, which is why it's hard for me to form a response to it because of said resolution. Ah well. Different people have different experiences and as such have different reactions to different media and AtLA is no different.

I feel the same way. It's a hard subject to bring up because it was resolved, but there's still the past they had. I ended up seeing them as siblings more than anything else, but I'm open to most 'ships in ATLA, be they platonic or romantic, so w/e.