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MEN ARE SCUM.

And there it is. There it fucking is. You are part of the vein of crazy people that, with a few well-placed asshole remarks, undo years of work by true feminists and convince many people of both genders that everyone who supports the equality of men and women is comfuckingpletely insane. Which of course, in the long run, makes it harder for women's rights to move forward. So the collected actions of you lot mean that oppression gains new life. That the glass ceiling lives longer. That the line between sexual harassment/sexual assault/outright rape and "durp hurp boys will be boys" remains frustratingly blurry in the eyes of so many.

I hope you're proud.

I can't even begin to tear this comment a new asshole, because it is completely made out of the things.

What is a "true feminist"? Do tell me. And don't call me crazy -- that's just ridiculous and also offensive to people with mental illnesses. And that penultimate sentence... I can't. I just can't. I don't even understand it it is so ridiculous.

P.S. It's not the 1960s. The glass ceiling still exists, but we're not playing the game the same way, Gloria Steinem.

"Actual feminist" = someone who doesn't actively make it harder for people trying to increase the depth and breadth of opportunities available to women by spouting off unhinged shit about all men being scum while knowing full well that it's going to piss someone off and make them more likely to think "what a bitch" the next time they see someone campaigning for women's rights, instead of "hmm she's got a point." Slamming shut the minds that we've eased slowly open inch by inch with our sweat and blood. Tell me, who or what are you benefiting by saying that besides your own misandrist ego? And discriminating against half of the entire human race is horrifyingly cruel, whether it's the half with vaginas or the half without.

Also, you associating "crazy" with people who have mental illnesses and saying I shouldn't use the term for negativity implies that a) I should therefore be calling people with mental illnesses crazy, and b) anyone with a mental illness is irrational enough to constitute "crazy" as our culture defines it, as opposed to depressed or obsessive or stuttering or brilliant or whatever beautiful and unique flavor of humanity they are. The "crazy is an ableist insult" trend is kind on the surface but subtly demeaning at its core.

I'm sorry you took so long to write that out, but the fact of the matter is that lots of different people practice feminism in different ways. There is no "true feminism." That's a concept left over from kind of archaic Second Wave philosophy.

Anyway, either you're a man or you're 40+ or you're a babyfem who doesn't really understand yet why it's okay to be angry at men and discuss it. All of the above are okay, I guess, but it doesn't change the fact that you're wrong.

I just didn't notice you'd responded for a while (I do take quite a while to type, but not quite that long. However, implying that my argument is less valid and/or somewhat pitiful because supposedly I took a couple hours to write it out - which I easily could have if I had a speech and learning disability - just underscores that bit about a subtle ablist bias...but that's a different can of worms, so never mind.) Anyway, whatever the hell thinking all men are irredeemably horrible is, I just can't digest that as "feminism". That is bigotry and prejudice, as reprehensible a statement as "all blacks are scum" (or "all whites are scum" - you would probably think that's a better analogy), and in the same way, nobody would say that calling an entire race scum, whether the oppressed one or the oppressors, was an opinion associated with helping to advance civil rights.

It's baffling how you think anyone who isn't middle-aged, male, or a newbie feminist will arrive at the ALL SEX IS RAPE, ALL MEN ARE RAPISTS, HURRAH WOMAN POWER conclusion after a while. Some of us aren't so vitriolic as to fight hate A with hate B. A great man (man, oh shi-) once said that you must be the change you wish to see in the world. That means that if you want acceptance for both genders, you are accepting of both genders. Goodness knows what it is you want.

lol u mad.

That is one oldass meme. And yeah, kinda.

You're extrapolating an awful lot of material from hir few statements. And you're also trivializing legitimate schools of feminist thought because you think that the ones you subscribe to are better.

I guarantee you that the feminist movement has not been hurt by women speaking up about how they dislike men. And comparing saying "MEN ARE SCUM" to racism, bigotry, and prejudice, is 100% insulting to real incidences of bigotry and racism and prejudice, which by certain definitions can only occur against minority or marginalized groups, i.e. NOT men.

Also, as

tamburlaine described below, your logic is faulty. Wanting equal rights for men and women does NOT mean that men and women should be considered the same, and so what A is must be what B is. No. That is not what equal rights are. Equal rights for women does not mean treating them and seeing them as men, it means treating them with the respect they are due based on their own needs as a separate sex. Equal rights for minorities means exactly the same thing.

You might also take the time to notice that

tamburlaine never actually said they were a feminist, so your rage might kind of be moot. But I suppose it's convenient for you that someone on the internet said something vaguely relevant to your most recent mis-educated rage issues.

Oh, and since you're probably not going to accept that definition of a feminist, how about this one?

A feminist believes in the equality of men and women.

So I guess you are a true feminist, if you also believe that women are scum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deductive_fallacy

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