[ SECRET POST #1374 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1374 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #196.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Well come on, a huge amount of humour is about making fun of people in a way that could be construed as hurtful, but probably isn't. Not always in a way that is racist, sexist or homophobic, but just individual, like "Haha remember when so-and-so totally did that embarrassing thing? What an idiot!". But that doesn't really hurt anyone. Instead of eliminating many forms of humour, can't we work towards a societal place where gay or racist jokes are considered just as silly and abstract and generally inoffensive as blonde jokes? Otherwise I can't really imagine much will be left except some knock-knock jokes, and not even all of those.

[eleusis-walks.livejournal.com]

can't we work towards a societal place where gay or racist jokes are considered just as silly and abstract and generally inoffensive as blonde jokes?

i get what you're saying, but this place will never exist. it can't exist. there are histories involved here that aren't going to go away.

[(Anonymous)]

because blonde jokes aren't rooted in misogyny, no sirree

[(Anonymous)]

If somebody wanted to make jokes about misogyny now, they might as well just make "lol wimmin" jokes instead of going for one particular hair colour. And no matter what they started off as, if you make a blonde joke nowadays, it is not regarded as very offensive - obviously you personally may find it offensive, but it's not exactly on the same level as racist slurs, is it? Because almost everybody knows that your hair colour has bugger all to do with how intelligent you are, and it's so pathetic as a real insult that nobody would ever bother using it. So what I'm saying is that it would be nice if gay/racist/whatever jokes were like that too, just stupid holdovers from a time when we were more prejudiced but that are now considered to be useless as insults and are just used among friends to take the piss instead of to oppress or harm.

[(Anonymous)]

*shrug* I grew up hearing blonde jokes told side-by-side with Polish jokes, and Polish jokes are pretty clearly racist, even though most people don't actually think the Polish are stupid. Like, I don't think blonde jokes are THE MOST OFFENSIVE THINGS IN THE WORLD, but it seems obvious to me that they're rooted in misogyny. And we're not really talking about making jokes among friends, are we? We're talking about trolling over-PC people in a "public" place, which seems different to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Well yeah the original secret was about that, but I was mostly addressing the comment about how jokes shouldn't hurt anyone. In regards to the secret, it's nice that the OP learnt something, but I don't want them to become the sort of humourless F!S commenter who must relentlessly point out everything that could be faintly offensive in every form of media regardless of what the intention of that 'offensive' thing was.

I see overtly racist jokes made about Poles and overtly misogynist jokes (done in a very knowing 'this is offensive so it's funnier!' way) on TV pretty regularly - as a blonde girl of Polish descent whose parents are in a stereotypically Polish profession, I just don't find them offensive at all and make jokes about those things myself all the time. I realise that my personal opinion isn't everyone's opinion, and maybe I'm even propagating prejudice against myself, but I do feel like F!S goes fucking nuts over tiny perceived slights against women/black people/gay people pretty often. It's good to be aware of prejudice in media, but I think you can take it too far...

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, I don't know that I agree. There's a huge difference, for me, between what I find personally offensive - like jokes that are made around me by people I know - and what bothers me on TV. The internet, by its nature, sort of divorces things from their context and I don't see the actual problem with trying to be as not-offensive to the perfect strangers online as you would be to perfect strangers that you are meeting face to face. And like - I am seeing just as many people go fucking nuts over the "PC police" in fandom (see the fandom feminists thread a couple of threads higher) as the people who get offended about things, so seeing offensive things isn't really what's going to make the OP humorless, it's whether or not the OP is humorless. Or whatever.

[0o0f.livejournal.com]

inoffensive as blonde jokes

Um.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh my god do people really get offended by blonde jokes?

[(Anonymous)]

... Because blonde jokes are clearly on the same level as racist jokes, right?

You're clearly part of the problem.

[0o0f.livejournal.com]

Well no.