[ SECRET POST #1387 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1387 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

The problem is that the history of "disabilities are bad" is what leads to people with disabilities not being accepted. It's why we;re denied the access and accommodations we should have. Yeah disabilities are bad but it doesn't make it acceptable to mock disabilities because you're mocking the person with the disability as well because it's part of who we are. It's not like we can help being disabled.

[(Anonymous)]

Sort of OT, but IMO in recent times it's done a 180. I haven't seen many people outcast disabled people because "disabilities are bad," but I have seen many, many people not want to associate with disabled people because "disabled people are special and aren't normal people like you. You must treat them with extra care" and that kind of supposed responsibility and special snowflake-dom is very, very off-putting to people (AND isn't even true).

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

What you're seeing comes from the same place though - it's people not knowing how to deal with disabled people and going to extremes in either direction.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

No, I know! I was only saying that it's gone to the other extreme nowadays and it's just as bad.

This (http://community.livejournal.com/fandomsecrets/573610.html?thread=359998378#t359998378) was also me, FTR.

[(Anonymous)]

AYRT

Ah! okay now I got you. And I agree with your other comment too!

[fierceawakening.livejournal.com]

Yeah. It's like we're weak little objects and they rush in to protect us. Or to hold us up as their Shiny Diversity Thingy of the day.

See icon for response to that dreck. ;-)

[(Anonymous)]

I know that, and I'm also aware of the unfair treatment disabled people receive in society, from not being taken seriously and denied accommodation to being called fakers and liars. My point is more that... okay. I once saw someone saying that describing someone as "blind" in a figurative sense (as in, unwillingness or inability to see the obvious, and denying the truth) is offensive, because that's a bad personal quality, and any word that brings a negative association to a disability is ableist. But I disagree, because blind people can't see, and using that word in order to express someone's figurative inability to see is just -- accurate.

Mocking someone because they are blind and being uncomfortable around them --> ABLEIST AND OFFENSIVE
"You refused to believe this was coming; I marvel at your blindness." --> NOT ABLEIST

Similarly, crazy. Kind of an insulting word when applied directly to someone with a mental illness, but there are other kinds of crazy. Fun crazy! That was a crazy night we just had. That rollercoaster was absolutely crazy! You're a crazy person, I love you. And bad crazy, because something that's going on is unbelievable and absurd, and is somehow reminiscent of the actual state of being crazy (which I will reiterate is a mental ILLNESS), but still used in a figurative sense. I feel like I'm going crazy. Your roommate is impossible to live with, she's crazy. This breakup is crazy. People with mental illnesses are not bad (although they can be difficult to live with, as I know from experience), but an ILLNESS is BAD and using words to describe it to also describe other things that are bad is not unfair.

[(Anonymous)]

The way I've seen it described is that when you're using a metaphor like the blindness one to mean oblivious and denying the truth is that you're implying that blind people are oblivious and would deny the truth simply because they can't see. I realize they are metaphors but they are metaphors that create stereotypes about disabilities.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I have to disagree. Everyone knows that figurative blindness and literal blindness have nothing to do with each other, and that the person using "blind" in the metaphor is not actually talking about blind people.

Whereas a term involving say, race, in the same situation, would cause much more confusion and is much less clear cut.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you sure about that? If that was really true there wouldn't be so many people offended by those types of metaphors would there?

[(Anonymous)]

LOL. Because people NEVER overreact or are over-sensitive. That is not a human trait AT ALL.

[(Anonymous)]

TBH I haven't seen the "so many people offended" that you're talking about. I've seen one or two very small, loud, vocal, aggressive groups, and then a whole lot of disabled people who don't seem to care when it comes to "lame" or "blind" or "dumb."

(Retard is different.)

[fierceawakening.livejournal.com]

This. I choose not to use the word "lame," because I don't like the idea of "something like me is bad" coming out of my own mouth. But I see that as a personal thing about my own feelings and my own desire to keep out of a pattern of thinking/speaking that puts myself down (something I used to do a lot), not an issue of social justice. I honestly don't care if others use it, nor do I beat myself up if it slips out of my own mouth on rare occasions.

The R-word is different to me because people are actively campaigning to end its use (Rosa's Law, anyone?) and not being heard by the general public, because people assume that they must not mean it or are too "stupid" to be aware that anyone says it -- all of which is completely untrue, as shown by the position statements from SABE that I've been linking, my own experience working with and talking to self-advocates, etc. People are not being respected because other people are obsessed with being able to use a word. That's... kinda assholic, and I don't like it. So I say so.

But again, I do not and will not tell people they "can't" say that word. I'll tell them I don't like it and don't want to hear it around me, and hope they'll consider that it bothers people for a reason, and that's all.

[(Anonymous)]

It's not that many people and they're only grasping at straws most of the time.

[blackjackrocket.livejournal.com]

No, that's just reaching for things to be offended by.

[(Anonymous)]

Re: crazy. I have mental illnesses. I don't actually find crazy insulting when applied to me, I identify that way. It pisses me the fuck off when people call tea partiers or whatever crazy, because they're conflating me with them, basically saying that being crazy makes you a racist bigot. Being an asshole racist bigot is, in fact, NOTHING LIKE hallucinating your parents calling you constantly when they aren't even home, or having other people in your head, or being terrified to sleep without a blanket and a nightlight despite being an adult and knowing there are no monsters in the dark, or having to face the door the entire time you're in the shower so nothing can sneak up on you, or being so depressed you want to kill yourself out of sheer boredom because nothing can get through enough to be interesting.

tl;dr: I am crazy, if you describe x bad thing as being crazy, you are saying that I am like x bad thing. Or x bad thing is like me. You can't get around that.

Oh, and your not ableist blindness example doess't really make sense, that'd be more like pig-headedness. Or willful obtuseness. "Love is blind" or something would be a better example. (I'm conflicted about blindness as metaphor, but uh I'm not blind so if actual blind people object to it I'm going to err on the side of not hurting people. There are lots of other words. Language is awesome like that. Thesauruses are so cool :D)