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fandomsecrets2011-01-22 04:52 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2011-01-22 04:52 pm
[ SECRET POST #1481 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1481 ⌋
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Notes:
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-Because sometimes I like for things to be plot-driven, and I actually want less emphasis on gender in general.
Why does de-emphasizing gender need to default to "male?" The idea that if you have a woman in the story, that you must shove her vagina in the audience's face because it's the most important thing about her is unsettling at best, and pretty offensive at worst.
-Because in some stories the physicality of women could have implications (possible pregnancy, periods, etc)
Only if you write it that way. You don't have to mention periods just because you have a woman in the story, and a woman does not have to get pregnant in the story unless you want her to. You're the writer, here. You don't need to write about men to avoid these issues, and the implication that women's reproductive cycles are some kind of elephant in the room that you can't ignore is particularly damaging.
-Because it avoids mary-sueish plots, especially with OC's or minor characters.
No, it doesn't. Not by a long shot. It's just as easy to make a male character the uber-perfect sex symbol that can get away with anything and that everyone can't help but admire (or hate out of sheer jealousy of his awesomeness). The idea that only female characters can be nauseatingly perfect is also very, very unfortunate, and even borderline offensive.
-Because I find men sexually attractive, and I sometimes enjoy writing erotically just about the male body (or, two, or more - hence the whole principle of slash).
And if you don't find women sexually attractive, they aren't interesting enough to write about otherwise? I think that's...rather troublesome, on many levels even beyond feminism.
Because I think guys are great, in r/l too - as lovers, friends, teachers etc. I just click with them better, in general.
I'm much the same, but as you said before that you are, in fact, writing fiction, why should this dictate what gender you write about?
I can understand that you just happen to write more about male characters in general. A lot of authors do, myself included, and I'm not saying that you have to write about women equally. But grasping at borderline misogynist straws like this is only proving the secret poster's point. In this case, I think the better answer to "why do you write about men all the time?" would be a simple "because I just do."
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Why does de-emphasizing gender need to default to "male?" The idea that if you have a woman in the story, that you must shove her vagina in the audience's face because it's the most important thing about her is unsettling at best, and pretty offensive at worst.
Sure, they can be, and I have written women that way (in say, something like Criminal Minds or series that are actually a lot about plot). It's more about the dynamic of the characters there. If you are writing fanfic, then there is canon. In canon there is often sexual tension, or established relationships. Sometimes I wish to skip that all-together. And As I mentioned to other posters, I dislike writing occ, so ignoring it does not work. So I might choose to write certain scenes without a character in it. In this case, I'll highlight characters I like. And they're often male.
Because in some stories the physicality of women could have implications (possible pregnancy, periods, etc)
Only if you write it that way. You don't have to mention periods just because you have a woman in the story, and a woman does not have to get pregnant in the story unless you want her to. You're the writer, here. You don't need to write about men to avoid these issues, and the implication that women's reproductive cycles are some kind of elephant in the room that you can't ignore is particularly damaging.
No, but OP mentioned slash and this is specifically a thought about sex scenes. Fact is, if a man and a woman have sex, pregnancy can result. In pretty much any universe. And sometimes I just do not like touching on that subject, even if it is just in my mind. Between two men it can't. Nor can it between two women, but I usually have very little interest in writing sex scenes between two women. For the rather simple reason that I also write fic for my pleasure, not just the readers . It's not like it's a novel I'm trying to sell.
Because it avoids mary-sueish plots, especially with OC's or minor characters.
Please see reply to hanachan01.
-Because I find men sexually attractive, and I sometimes enjoy writing erotically just about the male body (or, two, or more - hence the whole principle of slash).
And if you don't find women sexually attractive, they aren't interesting enough to write about otherwise? I think that's...rather troublesome, on many levels even beyond feminism.
If I write slash that is mostly masturbatory material, then it hardly is about how interesting a woman is...in that particular scene she's a third wheel, not an asset, unless I'd be specifically writing an MMF threesome, which can be hot as hell (there's an idea to do), but is a different dynamic. Just like when guys look at lesbian porn, the appeal of it is that there's no man in there. Same for slash. Only the other way around. Also, same like I wouldn't want a third party for an OTP het pairing of mine, either. And unless it's a long, elaborate story, I do not see the need for any important side characters in general .
Because I think guys are great, in r/l too - as lovers, friends, teachers etc. I just click with them better, in general. (
I'm much the same, but as you said before that you are, in fact, writing fiction, why should this dictate what gender you write about?
Because this is not actually a novel I'm trying to publish. It's about the characters I like, for the people who like them, and I do not have anything to prove, not am I pushing a political agenda.
I replied elaborately, because someone who seemed to e genuinely interested wanted to know. Otherwise yes, mostly I just write guys because I like to .
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Fact is, if a man and a woman have sex, pregnancy can result. In pretty much any universe. And sometimes I just do not like touching on that subject, even if it is just in my mind.
In the real world, sure. But as you have said, this is fiction. Even when I write het sex, the idea of pregnancy never crosses my mind unless I've decided it's a future plot point.
Please see reply to hanachan01
Putting more work and effort into a character, especially if you identify with them, is actually what avoids creating a Mary Sue, because you're fleshing the character out into something human and flawed and relateable instead of the idealized, chiseled perfection you wish you could be (which is what a Mary Sue is). And even if that wasn't the case...you identify more with male characters. By your argument, shouldn't your writing male characters mean they're more likely to be Sue-ish, not less?
Like I said, it would have been better for you to just say "because I like to." You're just digging yourself a deeper hole, here.
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(Anonymous) 2011-01-23 07:31 am (UTC)(link)no subject
DA
(Anonymous) 2011-01-23 02:57 pm (UTC)(link)Re: DA
I'm sorry I ever bothered. What a fucking nutcase, and way to be exactly what this secret was talking about. Jesus Ice-Skating Christ.
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But I would summarize it as "WON'T YOU PLEASE THINK OF THE POOR MENS?" Or just "the poor rapist" since female rapists are pardoned all the time because ~lol a woman can't rape anyone.
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I have no problem with preferring men in fiction (either as a reader or a writer), nor do I feel an obligation to write more women (and I do actually write them, one of my longest going fics has a strong female character). But I do not write them because of some political agenda, for the sake of feminism, but because I like that character. If I find women in a certain fandom whiny, I'm not going to write them.
Fact it, if I write, certain things do cross my mind, and diminish my enjoyment, as a writer. You can disregard a character's personality, but I dislike doing that. If I were to write say Quinn, from Glee...well, we know from experience she is prone to not use contraceptives...in fact, I don't really trust any of those girls to be too smart about it. So I'd rather not write it at all.
If you had read my full response, I consider putting more character development into one female character than in all other characters Mary-Sueish, yes. I see it happen in fanfic a lot. Developing all characters is of course a good thing.
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Then I'm glad I don't read your fics, because if you don't realize how utterly stupid that is, you have no business calling yourself a writer.
And having read not only your reasons, but some other threads people have linked to that you were in? No, I think the reason you don't write about women is because you really are a misogynist, and exactly the kind of person this secret was aimed at. Get the hell out of my gender, please.
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You realize that that's physically improbable, right?
Also nice how you see someone who does not agree with you on stances over gender and femininity to be unfit to be a part of your gender...
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idiotically narrowdefinition of "rape."Hell, you're unfit to be part of my species, because you're a thoroughly disgusting excuse for a human being.
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Unfortunately for you, I'm not planning on dying anytime soon.