[ SECRET POST #1509 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1509 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Comments

[mondaisenshi.livejournal.com]

I am quite certain that my response will be lost in the sea of arguments, here, BUT...

I did forgive Petunia, but only in the end. When she began to understand what she was doing, what she had become, whatever. And by no means a full pardon, but she did regain a bit of my respect for her.

Snape, however... Based entirely on your argument, Snape did not choose to slip away. He tried to hold onto her. The problem is, he was always an awkward boy picked on by his peers. A teacher's pet. A bookworm. The kind of person that Lily's new friends - aka: Wümder-James the Great Arse - would pick on relentlessly. The fact that James came upon his skill so effortlessly did nothing to alleviate the tension between the two. But with Snape's social awkwardness, he had no chance of keeping Lily when the three are put together, because James always knew how to play the game - how to write off his bullying as good natured childish pranks - and Snape did not.

Basically: Snape didn't LET HER GO. She was taken from him. And it's not entirely her fault, but it sure as hell isn't his. So yes, I forgive him for losing his way and having psychological issues when his best friend turned her back on him (albeit because of his own stupid remarks) for his enemy. And as much as he hated Harry - loathed him, even - for being so like his father, Snape also would never let anything happen to the boy because Harry was still Lily's son and, in a sense, the only thing left of her.

[stormseye.livejournal.com]

Snape was basically hanging out with a group of people that later became the Wizard equivalent of Nazis and Lily was part of the group they were trying to oppress. It would be like a Jewish person not wanting to be friends with a racist skinhead or a black person not wanted to hang out with a member of the KKK.

Plus her involvement with James came after he made a racist slur against her. When she meet James she stuck with Snape, she stood up for him and against James until that moment. And it was her right and decision to leave him at that point, and I applaud her for it. She wasn't TAKEN away she LEFT because she had agency.

Yes it was awful that he felt so alone he joined up with the Death Eaters, but he still had free will and he knew Lily didn't like who he was hanging out with. He lost her all on his own, he blamed James but never understood it was Snape himself that lost her by being hurtful.

[(Anonymous)]

Er, what? Snape was the one who insulted Lily when she was trying to defend him. He chose to associate with the people who hated muggle-borns. Lily didn't associate with James, and in fact pretty much loathed him because it was obvious that he was being a dick, until he got his act together. She did choose to associate with Snape until he called her a mudblood. And it seems pretty obvious that she didn't immediately run to James's arms after Snape horribly insulted her. The difference between James and Snape is that James grew up, and Snape didn't.

Yeah, he let her go. Sure, he had a bad childhood, but one of the key themes of HP is the importance of choice. You always have a choice. Even if you had a bad childhood. Even if you had a great childhood. And Snape chose his own issues over Lily, not just once but two times, and the second time ended with her getting killed.

[cobryn-moy.livejournal.com]

I think "James stole her away" is very much how Snape sees things, but going from the flashback to their falling out I do not think that would be Lily's interpretation of events at all.

Throughout their last fight, they talk at cross purposes. Snape wants to talk about James. Lily, on the other hand, is trying to talk about Snape's beliefs as they effect her. James is irrelevant to Lily's reason for being angry. Snape essentially hurled a racial epithet at her during the bullying scene, and for her that's the crux of the issue that needs to be addressed between them. And Snape has no satisfactory answer for her.

"I've made excuses for you for years. None of my friends can understand why I even talk to you. You and your precious little Death Eater friends — you see, you don't even deny it! You don't even deny that's what you're all aiming to be! You can't wait to join You-Know-Who, can you? ... "I can't pretend anymore. You've chosen your way. I've chosen mine."

That's not about James stealing her away. That's about Lily choosing to break a friendship because her friend can't tell her he isn't planning to join forces with a man dedicated to hurting people like her. She didn't turn her back in him 'for his enemy'. She did it for her own self-preservation.

Lily is her own person. Snape may have made it into an issue of rivalry with James over who owned her, but the heart of the issue that broke their friendship had nothing to do with James.

[(Anonymous)]

Basically: Snape didn't LET HER GO. She was taken from him. And it's not entirely her fault, but it sure as hell isn't his

Yes, let's blame Lily for not forgiving him for being friends with future Death Eaters and calling her mudblood after she stood by him.

Ugh, Snape apologists.

[meadowphoenix]

No, he had no chance of "keeping" Lily (ugh, she's not an object) because he couldn't let his latent prejudice and desire, at the very least, for power go.

Also, it wasn't her fault at all. It most definitely is his 1)for the slur and 2) for telling the prophecy. She didn't turn her back on him, though if we're going to go there, I would say he turned his back publically first. She decided she couldn't hang out with someone for when she was the exception to the rule that people like her were lesser beings.

Also, Snape let a lot of things happen to Harry and some of them he caused.

[ryttu3k.livejournal.com]

No, Snape didn't let her go. He tried to have her husband and infant son killed so she could be with him forever. Say what you will about Petunia, but she didn't try to have a baby murdered!

To say nothing of the fact, mentioned repeatedly, that James wasn't the reason for the split. The fact that Snape was allying himself with people that wanted people like Lily dead did.

I'm not excusing Petunia's behaviour, even though I did feel a bit of sympathy for her (she's interested in music, she's the unattractive older sister while Lily is the beautiful interested one who gets to do magic, when she tries to enter that world herself, it blows up in her face, she gets mocked for it, the magical world steals her only sister away and later gets her killed - no, she shouldn't have treated Harry like that, but years and years of resentment are hard to shrug off).

But Petunia didn't try to have her sister's husband and son murdered so she could win her back to the family. She abused Harry because of who his parents were - she didn't abuse hundreds of kids for years because of her anger and resentment. She didn't try to kill a little boy's pet or refuse to let a girl get medical treatment after being cursed.

DH might have made people sympathise more for Snape, but it just made me dislike him more. He didn't help Harry because he genuinely saw the ill of the ways - he helped him because, yes, he was the only thing left of her (but only after his plan to have him murdered so he could have her himself failed). He didn't learn from his mistakes. Petunia showed an inkling that she was actually capable of doing so. Slow process, sure - but she started to change. Snape never did.