[ SECRET POST #1509 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1509 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Comments

[wldcatsprstr-14.livejournal.com]

How does one go about teaching something like that besides saying "Do this. If you don't, it won't work." It's like trying to teach someone to jump; you can't do it for them. They have to do it themselves. You can really only instruct. And Harry wasn't taking it very seriously. He was actively seeking out the connection with Voldemort almost every night.

[moon-very-thin.livejournal.com]

Snape never taught Harry the basics or any techniques. Nor even any theory beyond 'emotions are bad and weak'. He attacked him in the manner he thought Voldemort would to demonstrate to Harry what he was up against, and sneered at him for not being ready. And then he did it again. And then he did it again. He gave Harry lots of practice at having Legilimency used against him, but that's not the same as equipping him with the tools to fight it.

If you're going to teach somebody a martial art, you start by teaching them the basics of stance and blocking. You don't beat the shit out of them. Learning a language, you do some basic vocab rather than talking away in the new language without offering any reference point. Nobody can be expected to do calculus without having been taught more basic maths, or to swim a lap without mastering how to float.

And perhaps it is a more instinctive thing, like jumping rather than a more teachable skill. But then Snape's still expecting Harry to leap a chasm before he's learned to bounce on the spot.

I agree that Harry didn't put in the effort, but neither did Snape. And then he stopped giving him lessons all together, without arranging for anyone else to take over. One can argue that Harry would never have learned from him anyway, but this episode more than any other was an instance of Snape's issues making him crappy at his job, tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

And his "instruction" was nothing more than telling a child, "close your mind while I mentally attack you." You can teach someone to jump by doing a lot more than telling them to jump. So yeah, calling bullshit on that. It smacks of victim-blaming, which is a term I hate to use because it's obnoxious, but this is a pretty good example of it.

[wldcatsprstr-14.livejournal.com]

Yes, you can show them by jumping yourself or you can hold them and lift them through the motions. The analogy doesn't quite fit because it's hard to think of something that you can teach someone without being able to show them yourself, like Occlumency. It happens in your head and you can't really show the other person what it's supposed to feel like. I always counted it as one of those things that you couldn't really do right unless you were doing it right.

[(Anonymous)]

Idunno, I can pretty easily think of better ways to teach Occlumency than (as someone below put it) bludgeoning the student then berating them for failing.

[wldcatsprstr-14.livejournal.com]

The bludgeoning I think I can forgive; the berating I assuredly don't forgive. I think that may be where I'm misunderstood on this subject.

[(Anonymous)]

O_o



ok.

[wldcatsprstr-14.livejournal.com]

LOL that sounded awful. I meant that being hard on someone because you have to is something I can forgive. Getting sadistic pleasure out of it is something that I can't forgive.