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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-03-20 04:03 pm

[ SECRET POST #1538 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1538 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2011-03-21 09:36 pm (UTC)(link)
Agreeing with llamerie here. She doesn't "pick" on Hiccup at all. When the other kids are teasing and mocking him, she stays completely quiet and looks annoyed. You can interpret it in your own way, but I think she disapproves of that behavior. She doesn't start yelling at him until he's goofing off in training (and, honestly, why the hell couldn't he have talked to Gobber before or after class??) and almost gets them killed. You're telling me that wouldn't piss you off?

After that as he starts getting "better" she does get jealous (understandable, unless you think she needs to be a saint) and suspicious, since he was such a failure first. Once the "magic dragon ride" showed her the truth, then the reasons for the suspicion and jealousy vanish, why is this such a surprise? More importantly, wouldn't you accuse her of being closed-minded if it didn't?

As to She's constantly scowling, yelling, being mean, etc - that's just blatantly false. She's not Miss hyper, giggles all the time but SO WHAT? Girls can be serious, and frankly Astrid has the weight of protecting her entire frickin' village on her shoulders; just because she's not joking around like the others does not take away her worth as a girl or a character.

[identity profile] sakikotetsu.livejournal.com 2011-03-21 11:26 pm (UTC)(link)
The scene where she goes off on Hiccup during dragon training was probably the turning point of my opinion of her. Yeah, it was stupid of him to try and talk to Gobber during all that, but she was the one who fell on him. He was just standing there, and she just freaks out on him because he was in the wrong place at the wrong time. And once again, to make things more COMPLICATED between them. Plus, she questioned his loyalty to the village over that. She wouldn't have said all that to him if she hadn't been thinking that of him long before that.

As for me needing her to be a saint, I don't. But there was just nothing before her garbage character development that put her in a positive light. Yes, her beig jealous of Hiccup when he succeeded in dragon training was justified, but at that point, it was just too much. There had been nothing to balance out her bad attitude, and it was just scene after scene of her being unpleasant. And sorry, but anyone who knows what good pacing and believavable development is in a story knows that hers was complete shit. There's just no justifying that. She was about to out him to the entire village that he'd been keeping a dragon - their greatest taboo, mind you, so she knew something really bad would've happened to him (lol another reason she TOTALLY secretly cared about him, rite?) - yet h he gives her a ride and all of a sudden she's all up on him. Which is another thing I can't stand about her. She felt absolutely no guilt in how sue treated him for god knows how long before the movie even started, and was totally cool with cuddling him and kissing him on the cheek. That irks the hell out of me.

Wow, you really like just coming up with random stuff. I never said I wanted her to be a cutesy, funny, girly girl. I just said that there are ways to have all the traits of a strong female character and them still be likeable, but Astrid just isn't at all. There's a vast difference between being strong and being unnecessarily mean.