[ SECRET POST #1555 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1555 ⌋

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Comments

[alanahikarichan.livejournal.com]

Some people cry foul about slash fiction appropriating homosexuality for a straight person's fetishes, and that's fair.

kjsafhkdjsh ACTUALLY THIS IS REALLY A PET PEEVE OF MINE. (I am only only only talking about this sentence and nothing else in your comment because as a cis person and I am obviously fumbling in this conversation somehow so I am going to stop trying to talk about trans stuff!)

The vast, vast, vast majority of slash writers are not straight. There are straight slash writers, but the majority are not! So saying that "oh those heterosexual women are oppressing the gay men with their porn" is actually really kind of terrible, and silences the not-straight majority of slashers who use slash to explore their own queerness. And this happens a lot, where the argument will get started, and a queer lady or gent will be all, "Um, but how can I be appropriating queer experiences when...?" and then everyone else will be "YOU ARE THE MINORITY SO SHUT UP" and basically it is really terrible and smacks of queer men using their status AS queer to silence and oppress women without anyone protesting.

[/rambling]

[(Anonymous)]

DA

uhh "the vast, vast, vast majority of slash writers are not straight"?

I am not denying the existence of queer slashers but I think you've got a pretty skewed perspective here.

[alanahikarichan.livejournal.com]

http://melannen.dreamwidth.org/77558.html?format=light

N-no, this is pretty well backed up. Much better backed up than the "common knowledge" that slashers are straight women, which is... based on one paper on once newsgroup twenty years ago.

[(Anonymous)]

... Those polls all draw from a very limited demographic. All but two are conducted from Livejournal or adjacent sites (Dreamwidth), where there are a larger number of queer users in general.

I don't know about the possibility or feasibility of polling from a much larger fan population (such as those on FFNet, or deviantART), but I wouldn't be surprised if a larger majority identified as straight than queer at least within those communities.

[alanahikarichan.livejournal.com]

... but like i said:

Much better backed up than the "common knowledge" that slashers are straight women, which is... based on one paper on once newsgroup twenty years ago.

The idea that slashers are straight has NO BASIS IN ANYTHING:

Finally, Wikipedia's reference for saying that "polls claim most slashers are heterosexual women", which has propagated everywhere, is Anne Kustritz's paper "Slashing the Romance Narrative", first published in the Journal of Amercan Culture in 2003, available in pdf here: http://www.laurientaylor.org/research/sources/slashfic.pdf . She, in turns, cites three informal fandom essays[...] The first is a clearly parodic essay on the Sith Academy, http://www.siubhan.com/sithacademy/criticalintro.html , which uses no poll or survey data, and does not even touch on the question of slashers' sexuality (despite Kustritz' citation implying it does.)

The idea that at least half of slashers are not straight has A LOT OF SUPPORT:
So, over 9 polls, in a variety of slash subfandoms from the late-teens yaoi set to the mid-thirties meta fans set, dates ranging over 7 years. Only onetwo polls had less than 50% queer participants, and that wasone of them the earliest one, and even they were at 37% and 47%. The median percent of queer participants was 59.7%, and the mean was 61.5% 60.8%.

Painting queer girls as a vast minority is, yeah, silencing.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not saying "vast" minority. I'm saying minority. In communities like LJ queer girl slashers probably do compose the majority, but I have a hard time believing that to be the case on the whole, if only because LJ and its adjacent userbases are a lot more queer-positive than other fan watering holes.

[(Anonymous)]

Those polls are incredibly biased. It's like walking into a bar and taking a poll of age groups and alcohol intake, and then saying the vast majority of people between ages X and X drink alcohol.

You can get data to back up any statement - especially with polling - doesn't mean the statement is any more (or less) true.

[(Anonymous)]

oppressing the gay men
Same anon there, but where did I say this? I said it's appropriated. Made edible and safer for an audience and author who can't possibly relate. That makes some people uncomfortable, and I'm relating to that feeling when transsexualism is treated like a novelty. It's not unique to fandom either, it's prevalent in mainstream porn too.

silencing women
Funny. You're trying to silence them for daring to have a problem with the way slash is presented. When I say slash, I mean femmeslash too. And when I talk about straight people, I mean people of any gender.

delusions of those who id as queer being the majority in fandom via a poll for select communities
I didn't even refer to who populates fandom circles, and yet that does not make a difference to my point. You don't need to be in "power" to appropriate.

I have the feeling you're taking my comment as a stance against the idea of fandom in general along with ideas that come along with it. Everyone's free to write, draw, or come up with what they want. However one shouldn't be so unaware as to dismiss concerns or realize why certain works can hurt. "But nooo it's my fanfic and I want to enjoy it >:(" No one is saying you can't.

[(Anonymous)]

this just in

you're a dumbass