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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-04-06 03:57 pm

[ SECRET POST #1555 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1555 ⌋

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 076 secrets from Secret Submission Post #222.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ], [ 1 - unreadable ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2011-04-07 01:35 pm (UTC)(link)
I think I'm the only person who doesn't ship John/Mary, partly because I don't like Mary. ;) I get you about John, though - one of the main reasons I can't like Sam is because he reminds me too much of a few people I had in my life and who were anything but good for me. It's a pity about John, because he is such a fascinating, complex character. But sometimes you just can't like a character, and that's fine.

Maybe my Sam dislike is also why the idea of people comparing John and Sam drives me mad. It just makes me think, "how is this selfish, ungrateful, and often downright stupid brat anything like his father, who despite all his mistakes always put his sons' needs before his own needs, who tried to make the best out of a horrible situation that life put him in?" Buuuuuuut, yeah, we're all biased one way or another. I just have a problem with the Sams of the world.

Okay, but Bobby and his wife weren't really a SPN pairing, but just a normal couple who had no idea what would happen to them later. I just think I see where OP is coming from, even though the secret was maybe phrased badly: in a fandom where EVERY pairing, whether it's incest or not, is deeply fucked-up, crazy, unhealthy, abusive, unequal and generally far from normal, it does seem kinda unfair that John/Dean gets so much hate in fandom, and that the majority of fanfics are about evil!John raping Dean.

(Anonymous) 2011-04-07 05:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I sincerely hope you never procreate If you truly think that John put his kid's needs before his own.

[identity profile] becksreid72.livejournal.com 2011-04-07 10:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Exactly! Sometimes you just can't like a character because of personal reasons. I like Sam and I think he's a sweetheart, but I'm not going to try and get you to like him. You don't like Sam. That's okay. I don't like John. That's okay. Maybe in another life I would have liked him but not in this one.

However, I think I'm going to have to disagree with you hard on the John putting his sons' needs before his own thing. I'm not going to be as harsh as the previous anon commenter, but I do not think John in any way put his kids first. That's my problem with him. I never saw ANY evidence that he had been a good father in that aspect.

But...Bobby and his wife were characters on the tv show Supernatural. I thought that was what made them a SPN pairing.

Back to the point! I guess I can sort of see where the OP was coming from, but at the same time I understand the other side of the argument too.