[ SECRET POST #1575 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1575 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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TRIGGER WARNING FOR SEXUAL/EMOTIONAL ABUSE

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Comments

[cephiedvariable.livejournal.com]

However, I think that makes it harder to compare then with other series, simply because fans don't have to buy each volume separately.

B-but it's not a series? You don't go "oh man, we can't actually compare the success of Dracula to the success of Anne Rice's books because fans have to buy it as a single volume". LotR used to be split up sometimes because it was originally published in six parts as novels often were and the idea of it as a "series" was popularized by the movie. For all intents and purposes it is a single novel, so...?

However, you're still associating popularity with technical ability to write.

Okay so scholars and published authors and all kinds of people who professionally critique and write fiction think it's well written but that doesn't count because pop culture/fandom is a better gauge of things, but you can't trust it's popularity because pop culture/fandom like bad things. Which is it?

Really, we should have agreed to disagree a long time ago, but your arguments are kind of contradictory and I'm just trying to get to the root of what you're saying here because all I'm trying to say is that you not liking LotR doesn't make it poorly or inadvisedly written and you're trying to say that it should have been a 1069 page poem. I'm sorry I accused you of attempting to denigrate it's cultural impact but I'm really just boggling at the fact that you really seem to believe there is some way this book could have accomplished its goal better and that it is somehow inherently a failed work despite the fact that in terms of accomplishing what the author wanted, it's gotta be one of the most successful works of fiction ever written (even if not necessarily in the shape he imagined).

[meadowphoenix]

Well, I would say that. It's less likely for people to keep buying books in a series as time goes on. Frankly, despite Tolkien desiring that it be one novel, it's published as a series of 3 novels that you get at one time. It wasn't the movies which popularized that frankly.

I don't think what I'm saying is contradictory so much as you're conflating what I'm saying. I said you can trust the criticisms of pop culture better, not popularity in general. They tend to be more blunt about what doesn't work in something than reasonable about what is great about something.

I don't think Tolkien is a bad writer. I actually think The Hobbit is brilliantly written, but also very different from LOTR, and frankly how he wrote there was more suited to prose. What I'm saying more that there are poetic concepts that do not work in prose. And that sometimes his need to work it all in stagnates the plot. If his goal was to be successful, then yes he succeeded. If his goal was to reform epic poetry into prose, I give it a C.