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fandomsecrets2011-04-28 07:47 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2011-04-28 07:47 pm
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I thought Kanbaru was just playing Ryaryragi-san up so he'd pick her and dump Senjougahara, so Kanbaru could have Senjougahara all to herself?
cat arc (the name escapes me)
Hanekawa's the name of the character, maybe Tsubasa Cat? Or something, idk.
the entire series is basically structured around the premise that there are these women out there who, for whatever reason, can't help themselves and need him to intervene in their lives in order to set things "right" again.
That's because it's technically a harem genre, and that's what harem genres do; have one male and loads of females interact with him. However, Bakemonogatari is a harem genre done right, in which it features extremely interesting characters that're hilarious, well-developed and likable, each with problems they either don't know how to solve by themselves or don't particularly want to solve by themselves.
They just happen to, coincidentally, be female. idk it's how i see it.
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(Anonymous) 2011-04-29 04:48 pm (UTC)(link)Kanbaru confuses me greatly, though from what I can tell in the actual novels, she is genuinely attracted to him. If my memory's not faulty, she pretty much said something along the lines of "I usually go for girls but I really wouldn't mind going out with you" in the novels after her arc had concluded. Which doesn't discount what you're saying in the least! It's possible (and very likely) that she's both attracted to him and had planned to take Senjoulwozzat for herself.
That's because it's technically a harem genre, and that's what harem genres do; have one male and loads of females interact with him [...] They just happen to, coincidentally, be female. idk it's how i see it.
You're contradicting yourself here. If it's a harem anime, then no, the characters don't just "happen" to all be female by coincidence. They're female to interact with the one male character to make it a harem anime.
Is that shoddy writing? Welllllllll. I wouldn't go so far as to say "shoddy" because it was done purposefully, but as I mentioned, it almost put me off the show, even though the show is theoretically right down my alley. I mean, it could be that I'm just criticizing the entire genre as a whole, simply because I don't truly see how balancing out the gender ratio a little more could have done anything but added to the complexity of the series.
I don't know. As a harem anime, sure, it's great; it works within the confines of its own genre very well! But it doesn't really subvert anything in the genre, and I guess that's what is bothering me. It could have been a 10/10 show for me, but because of the way it worked out, it's kind of hovering at a 7/10. Just a little frustrated at the lost potential, I suppose.
Did it achieve what it set out to do? Probably. Did it achieve what I thought it would do? Most definitely not.
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WHAT, REALLY. I haven't read the novels, so I wouldn't know, but augh. Maybe she's still trying it on with him in the feeble hopes that it might one day work? Senjougahara would probably still be teasing her like the hilarious person she is, so...
You're contradicting yourself here. If it's a harem anime, then no, the characters don't just "happen" to all be female by coincidence. They're female to interact with the one male character to make it a harem anime.
I meant in terms of character, haha. When I judge a character, gender doesn't matter to me at all, since a shit character = shit character, whether they're male, female, hermaphrodites or a species of sentient plant.
Focusing just on the gender ratio, though, it is a harem in name only. ...At least, just from the anime series, 'cause I only watched that;;
I mean, it could be that I'm just criticizing the entire genre as a whole,
I watch loads of shitty harems, and I usually fucking hate them. The only reason I carry on watching them is for the one character that magically is a good one, l-lmao. Bakemonogatari was the second harem to make me ignore the fact it was a harem because the majority of the characters as well as the dialogue, pacing, narration and plot were FANTAAASTIC.
simply because I don't truly see how balancing out the gender ratio a little more could have done anything but added to the complexity of the series.
I don't see why the gender ratio should matter at all, personally. As long as the characters themselves are great, I honestly could not give a flying ballsack on a kebab whether they have tits or not.
don't know. As a harem anime, sure, it's great; it works within the confines of its own genre very well! But it doesn't really subvert anything in the genre, and I guess that's what is bothering me.
Watch Mai-HiME. I really enjoyed that, and honestly did not expect it to be classified as a MAGICAL GIRL SHOW of all things, considering everything was so well-developed and lovely and the characters were so amazing. I'd do some shameless plugging of Strike Witches, too, but lmao the fanservice in that is awful. I could ignore it, since I did tolerate Seikon no Qwaser just for Hikasa Yoko and Hana, but looool.
They're all kickass and amazing characters that're female, though, which I think sounds straight up your ally? idk lol.
Did it achieve what it set out to do? Probably. Did it achieve what I thought it would do? Most definitely not.
Well, if you go into Baka to Test to Shoukanjuu or something with expectations of something equal to Waiting for Godot, you're gonna be disappointed. A weird example, but I think you should judge the show on how it actually was, rather than how you expected it to be?
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"i think what it subverts in the harem genre is that he is in a relationship for almost the entire series?
rather than just being about a single Pimpbro hanging and flirting with all his bitches.
i'm also pretty sure arararararagi needed saving, too! with the whole vampire thing that meme helped him out with.
so he was basically just passing on the torch of helpfulness, which isn't a bad thing."
W-Which is are very good points I didn't think of orz;;