[ SECRET POST #1582 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1582 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 125 secrets from Secret Submission Post #226.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 3 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - hit/ship/spiration ], [ 0 - omgiknowthem ], [ 0 - take it to comments ], [ 0 - repeats ]
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Comments

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

Riiight.

Sorry for the late reply, but I don't take too well to being patronized.

So please rest assured I know very well what tsundere means. (And I won't get into the whole "uke archetype" thing because I'm so, so tired of arguing about it with people who define terms by stereotypes.) Thing is, I was talking about this:

can't seem to comprehend how to keep a character written like he was in canon

England is tsundere in canon, and he's blushy and emotional and awkward and fail-y and so on. So we're not talking about fans warping a character's personality to fit an "archetype", it's people using and yes, sometimes exaggerating existing traits to fit their own preferences and preconceptions. Which, by the way, happens and has happened with every single character in every single pairing in the history of every single fandom ever.

[miezen.livejournal.com]

Except they are writing him [and countless other characters, yes, but right now we're talking about England and to a lesser extent Romano] as something that does not match who he actually is. Exaggerating something that's already there to the point that it's unrecognizable as the character anymore is still twisting the characterization into something it originally wasn't. And guess what? They are adding crap that goes against England's personality. If you know what a tsundere is, then you know that they do not readily admit that they like someone. Even if they do confess, they do their best to downplay their feelings. A stereotypical uke will eventually throw himself at his seme. "OH AMERICA I'M SORRY I'VE BEEN SUCH A JERK TO YOU I LOVE YOU AMERICA MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN THE WHOLE WORLD DON'T EVER LEAVE ME OOH AMERICA OOH" is not tsundere behavior. No tsundere would ever do that. But a stereotypical uke would, and so England does it in fic, too. [note; that which is in caps is an exaggeration. Fics which are that over the top about it exist, but are not the majority. But things that are in that vein? Relatively prevalent. Enough so that you can't really say they don't exist.]

I really do not give a shit that it happens regularly in fandom. Okay, that's a lie, actually. That is precisely why this bothers me. It's obnoxious, I don't like that this shoehorning characters into seme and uke archetypes crap is the rule and not the exception, it shouldn't be, I'm tired of reading the same damn story in ever fandom I go to, and it's why a lot of people kind of hate slash, jsyk. It is not defensible. It is garbage and it kind of grosses me out how prevalent it is. It isn't even just bad writing, either. That's easier to stomach than acting like all relationships between two males must play out like a standard yaoi manga.