[ SECRET POST #1595 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1595 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 07 pages, 170 secrets from Secret Submission Post #228.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - hit/ship/spiration ], [ 0 - omgiknowthem ], [ 0 - take it to comments ], [ 1 - repeats ]
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Comments

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

The hostility is unwarranted. I was merely pointing out that the whole thing was made up of circular logic. I even stated to begin with that the argument could be made FURTHER circular by going down that path. I'm not actually advocating piracy. I was simply pointing out the flaws in their argument, and then noted that my own could be construed as equally flawed. I KNOW it's a bad argument; hence why I brought it up in the conversation, given what I was saying to this person.

In addition to this, you completely misread my statements. My point was not that they didn't invest money into making the game; my point was, if someone who does not plan on spending the money on buying a copy of the game ANYWAY downloads it illegally, the game company has not actually LOST money; they have just failed to earn any. They wouldn't have made a profit off of this person either way, and because it is not something physical that had to be made, they haven't lost any money off of the materials used to make it. They just haven't EARNED any off of them, either. That doesn't change the fact that it's still illegal and wrong to do so.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

basically. what most pirates do is not walk into a store and steal a physical copy of the game/show/movie/etc that could have otherwise been sold. what most pirates do is download an electronic copy of the game, which is not removing a copy that could have otherwise been sold. they aren't removing anything, they're only copying it and taking the copy.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

Which is still taking something that does not belong to them.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, it is. But that is not at all the point of this particular conversation thread. No one is denying that pirating is theft; it was merely a brief conversation on faulty arguments and semantics. (The difference between losing money and not making money.)

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

That distinction 'losing money' vs 'not making money' is useless for IP, which involves almost NO cost in the production of the DVDs/CDs/discs as compared to the cost of producing the IP. This is semantically dancing around pirating, because technically the only money games make are via the IP - when somneone steals a game, the loss isn't calculated as 'we lost that 50 cents the physical disc cost to produce' and more 'we lost another sale which would have paid back the investors for the hundreds of thousands of dollars this cost to produce' and essentially convinces investors that investing a justifiable amount of money on quality products isn't worth it. It damages the entire industry.

Re: +1

[(Anonymous)]

THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT. For heaven's sake, can none of you people read? I stated quite clearly in the beginning that the whole fucking thing was made up of circular logic. INCLUDING my response, which I did that way ON PURPOSE to make a point. It was not meant to be taken as a serious argument, and yet you people keep trying to take it like that.

Jesus fucking christ. People will make wank out of ANYTHING.

Re: +1

[milo1047.livejournal.com]

Apologies. I've just seen this argument actually used to support piracy so many times it makes my head spin.