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I would've liked it more if they'd mentioned that the parents are often a BIG part of the problem. But shit, Waiting for "Superman" secret!

This. I saw this documentary and was like...okay, yes, there are some terrible teachers out there. But have you heard about what most teachers have to put up with from kids, lately?

I mean seriously, in the news there was just something about an 11 year old who punched his female teacher in the nose and broke her nose,, because she asked him to move to another seat. It's unreal out there. I don't think I could teach kids these days if you paid me 10x the normal salary.

Substitute here, and yeah. When the parents don't give a fuck, and the administration doesn't give a fuck, there's not a lot you can do. There are some truly extraordinary teachers out there, but a teacher can only do so much without support. I regular get cussed out, have things thrown at me by students. I've been in situations where I've seen the actual classroom teacher get the same treatment, so it's not just the fact that kids don't respect subs at work here.

Admittedly, that kid probably had some other issues going on (easily a case of conduct disorder), but scale that down, and that's what teachers deal with daily.

My mom and aunt both work in the Philadelphia school district (nurse and teacher respectively), and the shit they tell me is insane. Yes, there are plenty of teachers who are totally burnt out and/or don't care, but even the best teacher in the world can't do anything if the kid's not getting any help at home. Or, you know, is sent to school without lunch, or a coat in the winter. It's really kind of appalling, and there's no way crazy shit at home doesn't affect their scores. So, yeah. That felt awkwardly left out.

The problem with a lot of kids here is the same, and there's also the problem that their parents don't care about their discipline (it's either getting beaten for every gd thing or else never being disciplined at all), and it shows in school because the kids know we can't do anything short of sending them to the office. It's horrible, because these are the sorts that have to be court-ordered into parent-teacher conferences. So you know that their kid's education isn't their top priority... Sometimes can't be, because they're a single parent, working two jobs, coming home and having to do what they can... It's sad to watch all around.

I'm a student in Philly, and I completely agree. Some of the kids here have so many issues or just plain don't want to learn that teachers can't really do anything to solve it. And I've had some great teachers, and while I did well in those classes, some other kids did horribly because they were just screwing around. So I'm on the teacher's side in this one.

I subbed for two years, finally I got a better job with my school district. Just piping in to say I agree with everything you said here.

Poverty is, of course, a huge problem in many cases.

Posting anon cuz I have to.

I just put back together an ENTIRE library because a kid tore it apart (luckily, didn't damage the books, just pulled every single one off of the shelves, and then drew on the walls and the librarians desk). That's over 20 000 books. And the assistant with him was not allowed to do anything to intervene because he wasn't being a "danger" to himself or anyone else (which is good). So instead they had to pay 2 people for one day, 5 for another day, and 3 people for the 3rd day to put it back together.

I do not blame the kid, because he has behavioural problems (well, clearly). However, the system is seriously fucked up right now.

It's noble of you to not want to blame the kid, but in some cases it's the kid's goddamn fault and he SHOULD be blamed. If his problems are so severe that he can't go to a regular school without destroying it, he shouldn't be allowed to go to a regular school.

This! This! This!

The majority of my early high school years were disrupted by a kid who had "behavioral problems". He would interrupt the teacher every few minutes, swear and yell, hit the other kids, scribble all over the tables and other kids' books. Once he threw a chair at my head, and I got sent to the principle's office because I retaliated by yelling at him. Because "that sort of behavior is expected of him, but [I] should have more sense". What the fuck.

Even after parents started getting involved, nothing happened. He was never reprimanded for his behavior, and he was never sent to another class. In fact, one of my friends (who used to get constantly harassed by him) ended up getting put in another class so that her presence couldn't "entice" him into harassing her. Hooray for victim blaming!

I'm at university now, and I'll swear black and blue that the reason I don't understand certain basic concepts is because of those few disrupted years.

Speaking as a kid who had behavioral problems in school (though none that severe that property was involved, just think crazy temper tantrums on a daily basis), where are they supposed to go? Especially if the parents can't afford to send them to a private school.

Instead, I think schools should invest more heavily in special education programs. When I was in middle school, there wasn't even a special education program to handle emotionally disturbed children at my home school, so I had to be bussed over an hour across town every day. I woke up at 4 AM on a daily basis to ride the "short bus".

In my area we had special Ed classes but some parents still refused to let their children be put into them. One student I remember was years behind educationally, but he had to be kept in our class because his mother demanded it. The teacher had to make a curriculum just for him. The kid was still a dick to the rest of the class seemingly because his mother coddled him into believing the world revolved around him.

The whole goal was to show the problems inherent in the system by showing parents who care and are invested in their children but are still limited in what they can do by a flawed system. The point was that even if the parents are great they're still dependant on luck and geography.

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