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fandomsecrets2011-06-10 07:51 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2011-06-10 07:51 pm
[ SECRET POST #1620 ]
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
01.
[Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae wo Bokutachi wa Mada Shiranai]
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02.
[Hetalia]
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03.
[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha]
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04.
[Michael Silas/Asiel Hardison, Lady Gaga's dancers]
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05.
[Tiger & Bunny]
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06.
[Evangelion]
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07.
[Zero Punctuation]
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08.
[The Catherine Tate Show]
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09.
[Grimgrimoire]
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10.
[wonderful days, guyver, cowboy bebop, texhnolyze, togainu no chi, black lagoon, samurai champloo, aishiteruze baby, tenjo tenge]
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11.
[X-Men: First Class]
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12.
[Tales of the Abyss]
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13.
[Human Target]
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14.
[A Song of Ice and Fire]
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15.
[Masterchef Australia]
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16.
[Sucker Punch]
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17.
[Mystique]
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18.
[Workaholics]
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19.
[Mark Reads]
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20.
[Jamie Campbell Bower ]
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21.
[Hey Arnold!]
[ ----- SPOILERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]
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22. [SPOILERS for Homestuck]
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23. [SPOILERS for Gintama]
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24. [SPOILERS for Kamen Rider Kabuto]
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25. [SPOILERS for Loveless]
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26. [SPOILERS for Doctor Who]
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27. [SPOILERS for Mockingjay]
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28. [SPOILERS for Kung Fu Panda 2]
[ ----- TRIGGERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]
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29. [TRIGGER WARNING for non-con]
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30. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]
[Game of Thrones]
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31. [TRIGGER WARNING for eating disorders]
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32. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]
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33. [TRIGGER WARNING for transphobia?]
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34. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]
[SPN]
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35. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape, pedophilia]
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36. [TRIGGER WARNING for eating disorders]
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37. [TRIGGER WARNING for self-injury, suicide]
[Manic Street Preachers]
Notes:
Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #231.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.
Re: this is gonna sound condescending as fuck I'm sorry =/
You are totally right, I can't say that, I was rude and wasn't thinking when I typed this. Of course, my opinion stands only for the part of Game of Thrones that I've read so far (which is a little over three quarters by now) and I am certainly not competent to comment on the rest of the series.
Please bear in mind that I did not say that the book wasn't enjoyable or that I have a problem with it being patriarchal, male wish-fulfillment (and I'm not just talking about the sex here, which is just a small part of it). There is nothing wrong with this, because who says that male wish-fulfillment must be a bad thing? It is written tastefully, it is written well and it serves the purpose of reaching across to its intended audience, which obviously doesn't seem to include me.
My issue is with what constitutes as a "strong" female character and none of the women measure up so far. I feel like they fit the definition on the outside, but when you look past the shell, there is something fundamental missing. Of course, this doesn't mean that they weren't fun to read anyway, but they certainly lacked depth which could get me to relate to any of them.
I am not saying that the book wasn't an entertaining way to spend a few days, but like somebody above me already said, there is nothing in it that is worth rereading (or frankly, capable of enticing me to go on reading as far as book four), which, again, is only MY impression. I can totally understand why other people would like it a lot better than I do and I will give you the benefit of the doubt that it gets better as you keep reading.
I like the comment above mine, it explained what I intended to say much better than I am doing (obviously). As far as the female characters go, I also feel that the author is dealing with many complex issues in a very superficial way. Again, this only goes for what I've read so far (which I admit isn't enough to make a comment on the whole series).
Re: this is gonna sound condescending as fuck I'm sorry =/
Really, you don't see Arya as strong? Or the beginnings of real strength on Dany? Or what about Cat -- she makes a lot of bad decisions (it's a Stark family trait!), but she's always decisive and proactive.
I mean, maybe I'm projecting back all of the character growth I know happens with these characters, but IIRC I was impressed by all three of those ladies (even though I didn't really LIKE Cat) by the end of GoT. How do you define "strong" female characters? What do you see as missing?
--Genuinely curious (though, I also agree with the poster you were responding to that there are more awesome female characters and more awesome growth of the characters you know to come)
Re: this is gonna sound condescending as fuck I'm sorry =/
I'm sorry for not typing out a reply for you too, but it is long and exhausting and I would only be repeating myself. As for Arya and Dany, I found them very clichéd (Dany in particular). Cat wasn't as bad as these two, but she was nothing remarkable either. I was talking about the quality of writing and characterisation and I found that these characters lacked depth. I see what the author was trying to say with them (which is awesome, most of the time), but he failed to convey this to me in a way that I would feel it too, not just recognise what he wants to say. Like I said, the shell was there, but for me, the soul of these characters was lacking.
The closest I came to liking a female character in Game of Thrones was Cersei, but she is so obviously the villain of the story arc, GRRM took all the fun out of the twisted characterisation. But then again, I admit that a lot of the enjoyment I gained from Cersei stems from shallow reasons (such as a brother/sister incest kink *hides in shame*).
Re: this is gonna sound condescending as fuck I'm sorry =/
Re: this is gonna sound condescending as fuck I'm sorry =/
Like I said, I can see why so many people would like Game of Thrones, but it just doesn't seem to be my cup of tea, unfortunately! *hugs*