[ SECRET POST #1620 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1620 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


01.
[Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae wo Bokutachi wa Mada Shiranai]



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02.
[Hetalia]


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03.
[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha]


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04.
[Michael Silas/Asiel Hardison, Lady Gaga's dancers]


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05.
[Tiger & Bunny]


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06.
[Evangelion]


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07.
[Zero Punctuation]


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08.
[The Catherine Tate Show]


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09.
[Grimgrimoire]


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10.
[wonderful days, guyver, cowboy bebop, texhnolyze, togainu no chi, black lagoon, samurai champloo, aishiteruze baby, tenjo tenge]


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11.
[X-Men: First Class]


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12.
[Tales of the Abyss]


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13.
[Human Target]


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14.
[A Song of Ice and Fire]


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15.
[Masterchef Australia]


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16.
[Sucker Punch]


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17.
[Mystique]


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18.
[Workaholics]


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19.
[Mark Reads]


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20.
[Jamie Campbell Bower ]


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21.
[Hey Arnold!]












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22. [SPOILERS for Homestuck]



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23. [SPOILERS for Gintama]



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24. [SPOILERS for Kamen Rider Kabuto]



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25. [SPOILERS for Loveless]



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26. [SPOILERS for Doctor Who]



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27. [SPOILERS for Mockingjay]



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28. [SPOILERS for Kung Fu Panda 2]

















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29. [TRIGGER WARNING for non-con]



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30. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]

[Game of Thrones]


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31. [TRIGGER WARNING for eating disorders]



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32. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]



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33. [TRIGGER WARNING for transphobia?]



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34. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]

[SPN]


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35. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape, pedophilia]



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36. [TRIGGER WARNING for eating disorders]



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37. [TRIGGER WARNING for self-injury, suicide]

[Manic Street Preachers]






Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 00 pages, 000 secrets from Secret Submission Post #231.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I had a debate with someone about those scenes, actually. My interpretation when I read those was that her tears and pain were not related to the sex, but were exacerbated by it. It says that she was riding all day and (as someone not used to that) had saddlesores like WHOA. THAT was why she wanted to kill herself -- she didn't know how much more of the constant riding she could take. The sex didn't help -- she probably would have preferred to spend the evenings quietly in a bath, and instead she had to engage in vigorous sex with Drogo. But it wasn't the intercourse that was making her cry but the pain from riding. It later says that after her blisters healed, she got stronger and was happier.

This is just my interpretation, but the progression of Dany & Drogo's relationship only makes sense to me if Dany was not consenting in a "I really want to be intimate but I'm way too tired and in pain right now" sense. The fact that Drogo doesn't respect that is still really icky and the fact that Dany apparently doesn't think she can say no to him and take a break from sex for a while is also really icky, but I don't think just because she's crying during sex means that the dubcon suddenly turned into noncon. My interpretation is that she enjoyed the sex for the intimacy, but hated it for the physical exertion.

Probably an unpopular interpretation -- multiple people took offense at my saying this.

[pincerna.livejournal.com]

uh but if she doesn't want to have sex with him for whatever reason then it's non-con, not dub-con

idc if she would have consented if she hadn't been tired and sore, the sex was p obviously non-consensual

do you see why people might take offense, you are basically saying that despite dany not consenting, it wasn't rape bc in a different situation she might have consented

do you not see how that fails to make sense

[(Anonymous)]

I apologize if my comment above made it seem that she didn't consent. I'm saying her consent was conflicted and not a black-and-white thing (therefore dubcon). My interpretation is that she wanted to have sex with him for certain reasons (intimacy...?) and at the same time did not want to have sex with him for other reasons (the pain/fatigue). The thing I disagree with is that crying automatically means she did not consent (noncon). I don't think that's true.

[(Anonymous)]

I've got to be honest, I would take offense to this too. Regardless of whether the pain was from sex or riding a horse so often, the fact remains that Drogo forced himself on her at times when she did not want to have sex with him, no matter what her reasons were. That, to me, immediately makes it non-con.

[(Anonymous)]

See above, I'm saying this is potentially dub-con territory, and so I disagree that she necessarily didn't want to have sex with him. Tears don't automatically imply lack of consent. It could be that she didn't consent but the book is actually REALLY vague on the topic of what's going through Dany's mind here. It's also possible she could have consented to have painful sex, whatever her reasons were.

I just feel this passage gets taken out of context a lot -- he wakes her up to have sex with her from behind, she's crying => RAPE. But she's crying because she's in pain from riding, not because he's having sex with her.