fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #1620 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1620 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae wo Bokutachi wa Mada Shiranai]

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[Hetalia]

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03.

[Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha]

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[Michael Silas/Asiel Hardison, Lady Gaga's dancers]

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[Tiger & Bunny]

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[Evangelion]

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[Zero Punctuation]

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[The Catherine Tate Show]

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[Grimgrimoire]

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[wonderful days, guyver, cowboy bebop, texhnolyze, togainu no chi, black lagoon, samurai champloo, aishiteruze baby, tenjo tenge]

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11.

[X-Men: First Class]

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[Tales of the Abyss]

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[Human Target]

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14.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

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15.

[Masterchef Australia]

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[Sucker Punch]

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[Mystique]

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[Workaholics]

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19.

[Mark Reads]

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20.

[Jamie Campbell Bower ]

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21.

[Hey Arnold!]

[ ----- SPOILERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]

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22. [SPOILERS for Homestuck]

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23. [SPOILERS for Gintama]

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24. [SPOILERS for Kamen Rider Kabuto]

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25. [SPOILERS for Loveless]

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26. [SPOILERS for Doctor Who]

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27. [SPOILERS for Mockingjay]

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28. [SPOILERS for Kung Fu Panda 2]

[ ----- TRIGGERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]

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29. [TRIGGER WARNING for non-con]

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30. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]

[Game of Thrones]

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31. [TRIGGER WARNING for eating disorders]

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32. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]

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33. [TRIGGER WARNING for transphobia?]

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34. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]

[SPN]

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35. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape, pedophilia]

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36. [TRIGGER WARNING for eating disorders]

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37. [TRIGGER WARNING for self-injury, suicide]

[Manic Street Preachers]

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The Fool's "sexual love interest" was way, way less sexual than any other romantic relationship in the series. He didn't have sex with Fitz (well...did he? Can you tell?) or any other man, "she" didn't correct people's pronouns as Amber, he could have been bisexual, asexual, female, intersex, neuter, or a third sex - we don't know. If you say that the Farseer series contains homosexuality, it just reads to me as what so many conservative audiences typically do, which is have a very much more sensitive measure for "sexuality" when it's homo-.

I take "homosexuality" to mean "sex between men". Homoerotic subtext or homoromantic/genderqueer content are different things. Especially when you consider that there are confirmed men who actually have sex with other men in other of RH's books.

If you're convinced Molly is an author avatar, I can't contradict you because again, I don't know how she resembles RH. I do think that assessment is questionable, and I do think Molly's role in the story is so limited that her status as a possible wish fulfilment avatar doesn't make the series as a whole an exercise in female wish fulfilment.

But Fitz, as you'll recall, sees the Fool naked, and calls him "he" - so the Fool is at the very least biologically male, even if s/he does identify as a woman, genderqueer, other - it's besides the point because whether or not other people in her other series are "men having sex with men" it does not automatically mean "there is no homosexuality" in the Farseer trilogy because it lacks gratituous sex scenes. Again, that's hopelessly reductionist, and it detracts from rather than adds to your point. Erasing the Fool's sexual interest in Fitz - a sexual interest he states in the Tawny Man - because it's never culminated in physical sex is very dubious. I like the Fool, even if I do find Hobb's representation of him problematic. He's presented as biologically and gendered male and he has an interest in another male. I take him at his word.

Fair enough, but I think it quite clearly does, as per Clive Cussler's self-insert wanderer. Again, a limited role, but equally flawless (he always knows the key to helping Dirk, whereas Molly always knows the best solution and wins men's hearts effortlessly). If by your personal definition an author avatar can't play a small role, well, I suppose that's your own personal definition, then. I don't happen to share it.

The Fool didn't necessarily state a sexual interest in Fitz. He said he chose not to define his attraction in those terms. He could just as easily have been asexual as anything else.

Also not recalling where Fitz confirmed Fool was "biologically male" - only "different".

I'm not making any point here besides justifying my assumption that you were talking about a different RH series, since there is one that fits the description "contains homosexuality" much better than the Farseer series...and fits the description "contains stereotypical homosexuality" even better.

He stated enough of a sexual interest in Fitz to make Fitz distinctly uncomfortable with it.

Also not recalling where Fitz confirmed Fool was "biologically male" - only "different".

At the end of the third book of the original Assassin's trilogy. He sees the Fool naked, and immediately and forever after unambiguously codes him male for the rest of the series. Take from that what you will, but I think the implication is obvious. If he did not see male genitalia, his impression would be rather different; furthermore, since the basis for Fitz' repulsion is the Fool's status as male-coded in the Tawny Man trilogy, if the Fool were female or ambiguously sexed that would have been a good time to bring it up.

I consider homoeroticism and homoromanticism to fall under the category of homosexuality, but I suppose that if you don't this truly is just an issue of semantics. Very well. As for saying this about the Farseer series when there are better examples of fangirl homosexuality - oh, you bet there are. I won't deny that for a second. But the Farseer series is where a lot of Hobb's later issues (even stylistic ones) begin to rear their heads. I see the origin of the aforementioned stereotypical homosexuality in the Fool. (Just as the origin of the real time travel that plagues the Soldier's Son trilogy is in the Tawny Man. Eargh.)

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