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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-06-16 07:37 pm

[ SECRET POST #1626 ]

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[identity profile] wake-the-dragon.livejournal.com 2011-06-17 12:43 am (UTC)(link)
This. This so much.

I don't like this whole Gryffindor=Good, Slytherin=Evil thing prevalent in the books. I find it really hard to believe that every single Slytheryn is a horrible evil person while every Gryffindor is a fantastic person. Pettigrew sold out his best friend and best friend's wife, Zacharais Smith was an asshole and in Hufflepuff, Quirrel was a Ravenclaw.

And I love redemption themes in stories.

[identity profile] quorothorn.livejournal.com 2011-06-17 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
Not to mention we see Gryffindors, for example, who display what we might call the "dark side" of that House's traits--McLaggen, Vane, the Weasley twins at times (Sirius and James and Peter, too, if you want to go back a generation--also, Harry and the other main good guys themselves, at times).

Every House has its strengths and its flaws, I think. I blame the influence of Voldemort's generation for Slytherin's flaws being highlighted/ingrained during the time of the books, and I hope they can shake it off as time passes. (I would have loved to see a bit more Slytherin redemption--aside from Snape--in the final book, too. I admit I am biased because I really like snakes and consider "cunning" an excellent trait to have.)

[identity profile] wake-the-dragon.livejournal.com 2011-06-17 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly.

I agree that every house as its strenght and flaws and that's what makes me annoyed about the way JKR treated Slytherin. Yes, she said there were Slytherins that went back to the Battle of Hogwarts with Slughorn (and I believe that) but it was never shown; you don't get points for tell not show.

I agree Voldemort and the Death Eaters caused everyone to paint Slytheryn as completely evil, while ignoring darker parts of the other Houses. ("Wasn't a Dark Witch or Wizard who wasn't in Slytherin" my ass.)

I'm a bit biased as well as I appreciate "ambition" and "cunning" myself.

[identity profile] quorothorn.livejournal.com 2011-06-17 01:14 am (UTC)(link)
Well, you can't really build something without ambition and cunning anymore than you can without hard work/strength of conviction/store of knowledge, right? They're all useful things to have.

(I love Hagrid, but his initial into-to-the-Wizarding-World exposition way back in Book 1 had some, er, holes in it, from my perspective.)

[identity profile] wake-the-dragon.livejournal.com 2011-06-17 01:20 am (UTC)(link)
Well, you can't really build something without ambition and cunning anymore than you can without hard work/strength of conviction/store of knowledge, right? They're all useful things to have.

I completely agree.

(Hagrid was awesome but he was completely on the "Gryfinndor is way cool, forget the other houses" kick in his intorduction to Hogwarts.)

[identity profile] dark-branwen.livejournal.com 2011-06-17 04:15 am (UTC)(link)
The Gryffindor=good, Slytherin=evil thing is definitely problematic, and something I was hoping was going to be addressed directly in the last book and then... wasn't. :/ It's there indirectly, and I guess it would have been too much to ask for Harry to have a philosophical conversation about it, but hey, a girl can dream.

I like to think that most readers will read the books and realize that since this is told from Harry's POV almost exclusively to recognize that not everything Harry says is gospel truth. But I don't know if that's the reality of the situation... certainly its a nuance younger readers might not pick up on. Best examples I can think of are when Harry always finds the twins' jokes HILARIOUS, but other people quite rightly find a lot of them dangerous, reckless, and occasionally life-threatening. Or anything Hermione does when she's feeling self-righteous and mad (scarring a girl's face for the rest of her life, turning someone, however odious into a bug... not contrustive uses of your anger, Hermione). I don't know if Harry is an example of an unreliable narrator, but he's definitely a biased narrator.

Also, I did not know Quirrel was a Ravenclaw, though it seems terribly obvious now that you point it out. Thank you for the tidbit!

[identity profile] wake-the-dragon.livejournal.com 2011-06-17 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
I get what you mean.

It just would have been nice to get one scene where Harry is running through Hogworts during the Battle and sees some Slytherins fighting to defend Hogworts.

Hermione didn't turn Rita into a bug; Rita was an unlisenced Animagus and Hermione caught her spying on Harry and blackmailed her into leaving Harry alone by threatening to reveal her illegal animagus ability. She let her out sometime before the fifth book; what she did to Marrietta was deplorable (I blame JKR for that; the author said she had Hermione do that because JKR hates traitors).

Your welcome.
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[identity profile] akashasheiress.livejournal.com 2011-06-18 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree completely on the scarring-forever thing. I mean, yes, Marietta's actions were deplorable, but have some pity for a fifteen year-old kid FFS.
Edited 2011-06-18 20:48 (UTC)