[ SECRET POST #160 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #160 ⌋

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Comments

[pichi.livejournal.com]

My guess would be exactly what I said in my first comment: it was poorly worded. The point was they don't want PORN. From the sound of it, the discussion isn't happening because there's a bunch of people demanding het porn-- it's because someone wants yaoi/yuri. If I'm wrong, and in fact the comment -is- directed towards someone trying to RP het porn, please feel free to correct me.

Obviously I don't know the details of the discussion, nor am I so engrossed in the subject as to personally investigate. I'm just saying based on what I see, there's no reason for anyone to be up in arms or WTFing. There's an explicit disclaimer with this comment saying homosexuality is completely fine. It's the PORN that they are having a problem with. They classified yaoi and yuri as a part of the larger genre of PORN. Which is correct.

Therefore, I'm inclined to believe the statement was not meant to be prejudiced against any orientation.

[imxnotxshort.livejournal.com]

I think no matter how it's worded someone's going to argue that it's directed to homosexuals, rather than -everyone-. But, I just wanted to say I scanned all the comments up until now to find someone who seemed to be on the same boat as me.


Honestly, the definition of yaoi and yuri being porn freaks me out a little, because it has become so commonly accepted as referring to malexmale, femalexfemale - people forget or don't realize that PORN is exactly what they stand for.

As I've read plenty of plot!fics labeled "yaoi" with no actual porn in it whatsoever, I was a little caught off guard to discover the actual meaning of the term - and wouldn't be surprised to see someone using the term appropriately treated as if they butchered it by people that don't realize what they meant.
I hope all of that made sense.

[/pointless rant.]

[pichi.livejournal.com]

I won't argue that it isn't DIRECTED towards the RPers of homosexual relationships; they're clearly the ones being addressed. I just don't think it's being PREJUDICED against them. But you are right-- no matter how it's worded someone will find a way to get a bee in their bonnet over it.

I also think the thing about the definitions of yaoi and yuri is that one must consider linguistic evolution. It means homoerotica in Japanese. However, it's also been adopted into the English language to more frequently simply mean homosexual relationships from a Japanese source, such as anime, manga, doujinshi and video games-- whether there's actual sex or not. And if you're not careful, it's easy to suffer miscommunications with people. You don't ever really know who's using the terms with the original definition from Japan in mind and who's going with the broader definition that is integrating itself into Geek!English. It's not so much that either person is wrong in their definition, just that they're getting their definitions from different cultures.

And that may well be part of what's sprouted the whole conflict here *nod*