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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-07-10 03:51 pm

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[personal profile] redseeker 2011-07-10 10:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I think I'd have to disagree. Perhaps it is challenged more nowadays than it used to be, I don't know, but I still wouldn't call Christians a minority group.

I've never heard of anyone refusing to acknowledge Christians in the same way many refuse to acknowledge, or "don't believe in" homosexuality.

I was pretty much the minority and at school/work it doesn't seem very conservative-friendly

To my mind, conservatism is more of a belief set or ideology, whereas your sexuality is a part of who you are, the very core of you (so I think/have experienced). You can (usually) choose what you believe, but not choose who you are. So, perhaps when you say your workplace is not very conservative-friendly, maybe what your colleagues are reacting to is conservative ideology and "values", rather than who you, a conservative, are as a person. Which just takes me back to thinking that it's not sticking to or having beliefs that is a problem, it's specifically what those beliefs are - and whether they are offensive and/or hurtful to those around you.

[identity profile] twilightedge.livejournal.com 2011-07-10 10:50 pm (UTC)(link)
Hm I don't think my beliefs and ideologies are hurtful in any way since whenever someone says 'Christians are stupid' or 'Republicans are dumb' - those are very broad responses to what I've heard over the years but I'm surprised how quickly people respond that way when it seems they don't bother getting to know said groups.

It's the same for conservatives lumping liberals in the same group, but I think that's dumb as well since it doesn't show a need to understand why.

What I was meaning earlier is that it doesn't seem I can express myself via Christianity (which is what I'd consider myself first) or a conservative (my second and lesser known view) because it's not popular and deemed as wrong; which I don't agree with. That and people don't seem to think of me as such because of how I look.

[identity profile] seiberwing.livejournal.com 2011-07-10 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm not saying what they did was right, but those were just insults. Compared to societal racism and homophobia, not to mention the current harm done by the conservative movement against minorities, it's hardly marginalization.

[identity profile] citrinesunset.livejournal.com 2011-07-11 02:35 am (UTC)(link)
I think there are a lot of beliefs that aren't necessarily hurtful in themselves, but can be hurtful to some individuals. A lot of people are religious because they believe and because their faith is a positive thing in their lives. But there are also many people who have had to participate in faiths that didn't feel right to them because they were forced/pressured to, or who (like me) were raised in faiths that they later came to disagree with. When many people don't get to choose their initial religious experiences, it can turn out good or bad.

For example, I've talked to a lot of Christians who seem to see the idea that God sent Jesus to Earth to die for their sins as the ultimate example of God's love for them. The belief is positive for them. But I've also talked to a lot of ex-Christians for whom that belief triggered a lot of self-loathing.

I absolutely agree that being disrespectful towards people, and making large assumptions about them and their beliefs, is wrong. But while I've seen that type of behavior in discussions about faith and politics (from all sides), I've also encountered a lot of people who seemed to interpret any disagreement or offense at their beliefs as intolerance. I don't have to know an individual Christian very well to know that we'll likely differ in our beliefs on religion. That doesn't mean I think poorly of them, or even that I think poorly of their beliefs in general. And if someone does believe something that I see as offensive and hateful, like homophobic beliefs, I'm going to have an issue with that no matter what their excuse is.