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⌈ Secret Post #1669 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Spiderman/Hellblazer]

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[The Coldfire Trilogy]

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[Death Note]

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[Law & Order: SVU]

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08. http://i.imgur.com/DjgOe.gif
[linked for flashing .gif (OP's warning)]

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09. http://i51.tinypic.com/28hloxg.jpg
[linked for gag-porny; Menage a 3]

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10. http://img189.imageshack.us/img189/9436/14994542.png
[linked for nudity; the Meek]

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[500 days of summer]

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[Legends of the Hidden Temple]

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[Cardcaptor Sakura]

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[Sailor Moon]

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(Megaman Legends 3)

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(Winners & losers)

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[Doctor Who]

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[Stan Lee]

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[Captain America]

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[Chachamaru, GACKTJob]

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[Alice's adventures in Wonderland and through the looking glass]

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[Downton Abbey]

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[ ----- SPOILERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]

34. [SPOILERS for the Dreamer]

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35. [SPOILERS for The Powerpuff Girls Movie]

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36. [SPOILERS for Tiger & Bunny]

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37. [SPOILERS for HP]

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38. [SPOILERS for HP]

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39. [SPOILERS for HP]

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40. [SPOILERS for Tales of Symphonia ]

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[ ----- TRIGGERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]

41. [TRIGGER WARNING for eating disorders]

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42. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]

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43. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]

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44. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]

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45. [TRIGGER WARNING for suicide]

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46. [TRIGGER WARNING for sexual harrassment]

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47. [TRIGGER WARNING for stalking]

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48. [TRIGGER WARNING for suicide]

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49. [TRIGGER WARNING for suicide]

[Rudyard Kipling/Jungle Book]

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I actually like the concept of dubcon, because I find it realistic. In other words, I disagree that "consent is either there or it's not". Sometimes consent is given out of fear, or out of social expectations, or under pressure, or even because it doesn't occur to the person that they have a right to refuse it, and so on. Technically, this means these situations are not noncon, but they are not fully consensual either, hence why I like "dubcon": because it highlights the fact that sometimes people don't truly consent, that there is such a thing as a consent given half-heartedly or for all the wrong reasons.

As for whether dubcon is rape: that depends on whether the other person knows the consent is dubious or not. If the partner has no reason to suspect that the other person is not truly consenting, then how can we accuse them of rape? On the other hand, if the partner is the one forcing the dubious consent out of the person, then clearly it is rape even if the person doesn't say "no" or "stop".

So yes, I like "dubcon" just as much as "noncon". I find them really useful terms, when used correctly.

Then again, maybe I should add the precision that I don't see a need to choose between "dubcon/noncon" and "rape". I recently listed all three terms in my warnings for one of my fics.

But those situations are noncon. If a person is forced to give consent, whether out of fear, blackmail, or pressure, that is still rape. It is just a different kind of rape. And it is still noncon because the consent given isn't actually consent. For consent to be consent, it has to be given freely.

I disagree. If consent is given, even under pressure or for the wrong reasons, then it is given. Same with consent being assumed (between habitual partners, for example). Such situations are not non-con to me, because non-con is when consent is flat out denied. That's why I like the term dub-con, because it perfectly reflects the fact that consent can be given, or at least not refused, and yet not be true consent.

I agree that many of these situations are definitely rape, though.

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