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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-07-30 03:04 pm

[ SECRET POST #1670 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1670 ⌋


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Going to be short posts this week, LJ being down half the week means less secrets total, sorry about that.

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(Anonymous) 2011-07-31 10:39 pm (UTC)(link)
but that's not the point. the point isn't to just take the aesthetic and then write a completely fictional world. the point is to take one single difference and say what if.

Under your reasoning every single piece of fiction has to be set in a world that's egalitarian and inclusive and multicoloured (though I doubt you'd ever dare criticise a work where all the characters were black or east-asian).

Even though she is using the era as a setting for raising a multitude of social issues that's not good enough because her main character is a white male?

Sorry, I don't count that as valid criticism

[identity profile] darlas-mom.livejournal.com 2011-08-01 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
Actually, by my standard, the author's still making a choice.

Seriously, that's all.

If she wants to make a point, whatever. I don't care. But that's never the justification I hear. The justification everyone throws around is "but that's how it was back then," and the fact of the matter is, a fantasy world only needs as much verisimilitude as the author wants it to need.
I practically never hear anyone complain that the people in medieval/feudal European settings are too well-fed, healthy or hygienic (even though in most movie adaptations of same, they usually are). And when an author chooses not to have any rape in their stories, I never hear anyone complain that that's unrealistic for the time period (even though it's technically unrealistic for just about every damn time period you have available to you, save for maybe the distant future). People can choose to gloss over any unpleasantness in their fantasy settings they want, and most audiences will go ahead and roll with it.

The author made a choice. Maybe she had good reasons, maybe she didn't; I haven't read it personally (hence my not really directly criticizing the work in question, so much as the "that's how it was back then" defense, which is my major pet peeve in fantasy).

I have no argument for "using the era as a setting for raising a multitude of social issues," especially for a work I haven't read. But "that's how it was back then" is a downright willfully stupid defense.

[identity profile] seiberwing.livejournal.com 2011-08-03 06:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I haven't read it personally (hence my not really directly criticizing the work in question, so much as the "that's how it was back then" defense, which is my major pet peeve in fantasy).

Well, there's your problem. It's not a 'fantasy world' in the sense that she just made it up and took inspiration from the era. It's period-accurate Napoleonic War era, but with dragons dropped into it. Dragons are the only concession to fantasy (and firebreathing/poison-spitting/divine wind stuff, but that's still dragon related). Novik works hard to make it as period-accurate as possible, including the ideals of the time and how those would relate to talking sentient dragons used as an airforce. Lawrence himself is actually fairly liberal for his time, and the dragon abolition ideas that Temeraire puts together are considered ridiculously radical.

'That's how it was back then' is entirely the point of the series. Besides the Temeraire/Lawrence epic bromance.