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fandomsecrets2011-08-09 08:07 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2011-08-09 08:07 pm
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If your opinion is that you feel the "he"/"she" is added just to make the songs have heterosexual appeal, or you feel that it doesn't flow well with the song, or you just plain don't like it, fine. I'm not arguing the fact that you can't have an opinion.
But where you start getting into the elitism is implying that nearly all gender neutral songs are not just better in your opinion, but are inherently better, and you say you "don't have to respect the enforced heterosexism."
No, you don't have to respect that. But you do have to respect the fact that certain others like these songs, and identify with them, and certain songwriters will write them, no matter what you think. Your opinion and interpretation is no more valid than anyone else's.
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Yes, I am! Oooh, now say, "no you're not" again!
WTF, part of my problem is the pointless heterosexual focus of most current, mainstream music. That is no different from complaining that most of the important and active roles in film go to men.
If your opinion is that you feel the "he"/"she" is added just to make the songs have heterosexual appeal, or you feel that it doesn't flow well with the song
I said both of those things as well...
But yes, gender-neutral songs ARE generally inherently better (presuming there is no good reason to make the song more specific) because more people can identify with them.
Your opinion and interpretation is no more valid than anyone else's.
What is this stupid meme and can it die.
I can think "The Yellow Wallpaper," is about, say, communism. That could be my opinion and interpretation. But it's NOT valid. It's wrong.
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>Implying opinions about media, which differ from person to person because not only does no one really know the original creator's intent unless expressed, but the consumers of the media all have different experiences and will attach different values to different things, thus allowing them to interpret things differently, can be wrong.
Wow. Wow. Really? You're saying that out of the dozens of interpretations of different songs and books and movies, one of them is right? Oh, but I assume that would be the one you think is the right one, eh?
And because more people can identify with them somehow takes away from the melody, the poetics, the rhythm, other word choices, the skill of the musicians, and the dozens of other things that make up a song?
But you know what, I think you're just going to sit up on whatever high horse you're on, and look down your nose at everyone else and nothing I can say will change that.
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No.
But there are definitely interpretations which are NOT supported in ANY way, shape or form by the text. And those interpretations ARE wrong. "The Yellow Wallpaper" (which, if you're not familiar, is basically feminist Gothic horror) is NOT about communism, and it would simply be wrong to argue that it was.
I said that because people often say, as you did above, that "opinions and interpretation [of art] can't be wrong."
All I'm saying is: yes, they definitely can be.
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If someone tells me "I think Moby Dick is actually about sexism" I will be rather surprised since I don't think that's an integral part of the book at all, but if I ask them why they think so, and they explain to me where in the text they see this and how they interpret it, I may not agree with them, but I don't think their opinion is wrong.
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(Anonymous) 2011-08-10 04:30 am (UTC)(link)This is, simply put, stupid. a) It works on the assumption that a person can't identify with a song if they don't share the gender and sexuality of the subjects within the song. b) You're throwing around "inherently better" as if that's a proven fact, as if the number of people who could possibly listen and identify with a song is some sort of measure of quality. I don't know where you're getting this idea. Song quality is completely subjective. In my opinion, gender specific songs ARE inherently better because they tend to give me a greater sense of who and what the writer is writing about, a stronger sense of the story they're trying to tell. I don't need to identify with the songwriter's gender or sexuality for that.
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Why not just do away with lyrics altogether so that every person can imagine that every song is about whatever they want it to be about. Then everybody will identify personally with all the songs, and every song will be inherently the best song ever. Perfect world: I've just invented it.