[ SECRET POST #1680 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1680 ⌋


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Comments

[ninety6tears.livejournal.com]

LOL, I'm not suggesting we "force" anybody to do anything, I just think it indicates our over-gendered way of looking at things if somebody feels the need to change anything. Unless it's like a super-explicit song about sex, why should sexual organs get in the way of relating to romantic emotions? Why would we define so much about it by the sex or gender of the subject?

When Chan Marshall covered the Rolling Stones, she changed "girl" to "boy," but didn't feel the need to change the lyrics about the detergent commercial or anything else she hadn't literally experienced herself, but hey, she can relate to the theme of the song, right? How would that be different from being relative about sex?

It's not a crime that anybody changes the lyrics, it's just...a lost opportunity to not do that.

[hikari87.livejournal.com]

Why should anyone do that who doesn't want to? How is it a lost opportunity to choose not to do something you don't want to, or choose to do something you want to? Also, I feel that I should probably point out that English is one of the very, very few languages that doesn't assign an immutable gender to every single noun, so calling it "over-gendered" to make it understood whether the subject of a song is male or female seems a tad hyperbolic. As for relativity to sex, you are aware that it's one of the most personal things out there, yes? Seems to me that this means that some people prefer to sing about being attracted to people of the gender they prefer to take to bed, because they can't relate to the idea of, well, taking someone they don't want to sex up to bed, and they don't want to sex up someone of the gender they aren't attracted to. I really don't understand why this is so hard to grasp =/

[ninety6tears.livejournal.com]

Gee, thanks for the linguistics lesson, but the French don't literally think that mustaches are female, and so on, so I don't really know what the hell you're trying to say. Excuse my ass for caring that sometimes words carry ideas that affect social norms and that sometimes the way we use language should maybe be changed when it's reasonably possible to do so, as it happens to be in the English language in this very specific case. Such as when people feel the need to assign arbitrary distinctions to emotions that are universal. If you insist that a heterosexual man can't understand the emotions implicit in wanting to bed another person simply because the subject is male, that's an insistence that heterosexual and homosexual desires aren't experienced in the same way. It doesn't necessarily make someone homophobic, it just makes them a bit too affected by the whole schema.

I mean for gods sake, I'm only talking about cover songs. I wouldn't dream of getting up on an artist's case just because they've never switched up their pronouns in their original work or anything. I'm not even really getting on the cases of any artists who change lyrics, I'm just saying their inclination to do it is an annoying reminder of the way that shit is.

[(Anonymous)]

"Also, I feel that I should probably point out that English is one of the very, very few languages that doesn't assign an immutable gender to every single noun, so calling it "over-gendered" to make it understood whether the subject of a song is male or female seems a tad hyperbolic."
Hahaha, what? You know, I don't actually see tables as male just because in my language the grammar has a masculine pronoun for them. Oh hey, chairs are male in my language, too. I should totally ship it, greatest gay love ever!

Okay, to the actual point of your comment: when people cover songs, for me that means they're telling, or rather performing, a story that is from somebody elses point of view (e.g. original song-writer). And if they can't do that convincingly just because some gender pronoun doesn't fit them or their preference I think they should find a better song. Or not cover songs at all.