[ SECRET POST #1687 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1687 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

This is not your forum to identify and call out specific people just to call them assholes. Call out general actions you find reprehensible, mod ability/inability, that kind of stuff, but once you get into what basically amounts to 'this person is a stupid bitch and here are some icons/an lj layout/add. info to identify them with' - no.

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Comments

Re: DA

[herongale]

I can see how "boy who wants to be a girl" would be problematic if it were describing someone who is actually trans. But there is also the fact that sometimes people like having the fantasy of wanting to be something that deep-down know they actually aren't: if I (to pick a made-up and sort of kindergarten example) were to say "I want to be a princess!" no one would interpret that this means that I actually am a princess, or even that I think I already am one. All it would mean is that I think princesses are cool and awesome and that I'd like to experience what it feels like to be one, since I'm not one and never will be.

It's the state of yearning that is important, as distinct from the state of actually being. It's the distinct feeling of "this is a fantasy, this is not reality, this will never be my reality." It's a part of why people enjoy roleplaying, either in the bedroom or online... it's about ACTING: being an actor, playing a part. I don't think this describes the reality of what it's like to be trans, since for trans people, the role they often find themselves forced to play is that of the gender consistent with the body they were born into, and for them that's a painful and constricting reality, not a pleasant escapist fantasy. Totally different things.

Re: DA

[fierceawakening.livejournal.com]

Yeah. This. I could see a story about yearning to be different.

I could also see the secret being a seething mass of transfail, though. Depends what the OP had in mind.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Hm... well...

I also just think it's a matter of how people conceive of themselves, really.

I have talked to quite a few young mtf trans people, and quite a few of them do describe themselves pretty similarly to "a boy who wants to be a girl". I realize that this doesn't occur in a vacuum and that conceiving of the audience is more important than sticking with problematic phrasing.

I know that I can relate to it. When I was younger, I didn't think that "oh, I am x and always have been x, I just wasn't born with the right body." I thought "I really wish I was y, but no, I'm x. I really want to be y." It wasn't until much later that I was able to piece my identity together so nicely.

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Anon is also silly and mixed up x with y there, but I hope it still comes across properly. ;p

Re: DA

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, to me the question is, do we think that a fairly young MTF individual would actually be capable of viewing mental gender as distinct from physical sex in the way that would be required to call themself a girl in a boy's body? When fact is that even a lot of grown adults aren't able to do so, be it because they've never heard of the concept or because they genuinely can't separate the two in their minds? "Boy who wants to be a girl" may not be politically correct waaah, but if chances are that the character in question would indeed identify that way, putting it any other way would just be ridiculous.