[ SECRET POST #1705 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1705 ⌋


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Secrets Left to Post: 10 pages, 241 secrets from Secret Submission Post #244.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 3 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

yeah, JK had basically made her heroes a bit unlikable, and one of her unlikable characters a bit to fan-friendly. So instead of actually making her heroes better people, she set out to make them look good by making everyone around them as shitty as she could and failed. Draco ended up as the loveable butt-monkey, Team Rocket, underdog guy instead.

[(Anonymous)]

did we read the same books or do you just read too many fanfics?

[helenadax.livejournal.com]

I know people outside the fandom who don't like Harry.

[(Anonymous)]

i don't understand those people tbh. how can you continue reading the harry potter series when you don't like or even hate harry?

[helenadax.livejournal.com]

Well, my friends just stopped to read and to watch the movies. Books!Harry isn't my favourite character at all, but I was interested in see how the story ended.

[(Anonymous)]

because you can like the other characters and the world it is set in. Just because the designated protagonist has his name on the title doesn't mean you have to read it just for him. The other characters might have an equally compelling, or even more compelling, story of their own and that it is just hinted at and had to be viewed in bits and pieces rather than spoon fed to you as viewpoint character can make their stories even more interesting because you need to engage more and work at it to understand.

[time-ambassador.livejournal.com]

I didn't like Lina Inverse, but I watched three seasons of Slayers because all the other characters were bitchin'. I hated Peter but I sat through almost 4 seasons of Heroes. I usually dislike main character and find them a bit boring, tbh. (I loved Harry, though, I'm just saying.)

[punishermax.livejournal.com]

In all fairness hating Peter is a totally rational response to his character.

[twistedbones.livejournal.com]

I think Harry is an annoying little brat with a Messiah complex but that doesn't mean that I can't enjoy the story in itself or other characters in it. Do you ever only read books for the major character?

[helenadax.livejournal.com]

He always reminds me of Wile E. Coyote. Until sixth book, nothing really affected him. He attacked Harry, he was humiliated, and some time later he tried it again. He never learnt, he never thought about giving up, he never had a nice moment. He was like a robot who stayed in stand-by until the moment to attack Harry and make a fool of himself again.

And yeah, if you have to make your non-heroes characters act like complete fools all the time in order to make your heroes more awesome... I just can't respect that choice. That's why I never was impressed by Death Eaters, they were a bunch of morons. I find the dementors more frightening.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought it showed character, Draco got knocked down all the freakin' time and he got straight back up again. Just not prepared to quit...sounds like a Gryffindor trait rather than anything else (well according to the hat anyway, according to what JK wrote getting knocked down then going and sulking until you absolutely must do something is the real Gryffindor trait). Rather endearing its own way.

[(Anonymous)]

Nuh-uh. Gryf's house trait was making snide bitchy comments about people they didn't like and trying to humiliate them in pranks or in groups, or in groups of prankers, rather than saying anything to their face. Just like harry, Ron, Harry's Dad, Harry's Dad's friends, Ron's brother's, Ron's dad, Dumbledore. Jeez the list of Gryf dicks goes on.

[quorothorn.livejournal.com]

That...was actually a very strong "house trait" of many Slytherins. As in, constantly. Draco's entire character through five books was basically just that, in fact.

[(Anonymous)]

...What? I'm not saying the trio didn't act like brats at times (they were kids, after all) but the entirety of Gryffindor house wasn't out to destroy the woobie Slytherins all the time.

Think about the first time Harry knowingly 'humiliates' Draco. No, think about the first time Harry really gets Draco into trouble.

Not on the train when he turned down Draco's offer of friendship - that was more a reaction to Draco being a dick to him at Madam Malkins and insulting Ron, one of the first people to be nice to Harry. Harry didn't turn Draco down to upset him, he turned him down because Draco had made an awful impression, repeatedly, and Harry didn't want to be his friend.

No, think about when Harry gets Draco detention for being out of bed after curfew. Harry didn't make Draco get out of bed. Draco was following Harry and trying to get Harry into trouble over Norbet, trying to humiliate Harry. Yep, Harry's delighted to hear Draco being scolded by McGonagall. But Draco had already tried to get Harry into trouble at this point, setting Harry up to be out of bed for the midnight duel and then tattling to Filch. Harry did not make Draco get out of bed and follow him to Hagrid's hut, he didn't encourage that behaviour in the slightest. But Draco did encourage Harry to be out of bed after curfew several chapters before that.

Yes, the trio make "snide bitchy comments" about the Slytherins. We spend most of our time with the trio, it's inevitable we hear all their grievances. In comparison, we don't spend a lot of time with the Slytherins but we still hear a LOT of "snide bitchy comments" from them. Draco and co constantly insult Ron's family's financial status, Neville's skills, Hermione's appearance, everything they can think of about Harry. They even insult him when he does something impressive, like catching his first Snitch. Also, have you forgotten the Mudblood incident?

The twins are pranksters. They would be pranksters no matter what house they were in. But again, I point you to the midnight duel prank, instigated by Draco.

If you want to condemn an entire House for something, maybe it would be better if it wasn't something the House you're defending didn't also constantly partake in.

Also, the trio had no problem calling Draco and his fellow Slytherins out right to their face. Hell, Harry even called Snape out to his face.

[silver-coins.livejournal.com]

A bit OT, but I think Draco was right in a lot things that he ended up getting mocked for. I mean being hurt by Buckbeak is one. Yes, he didn't listen but Hagrid should never have brought such an agressive and dangerous creature into the class. Not if it had the potential to cause damage. HIm wanting it gone after being attacked is not irrational even if it was partly to hurt Hagrid. Same thing with Norbert. There's a reason dragons aren't allowed. And Harry shouldn't have been out of bed. You can turn that argument around; Draco didn't make Harry get out of bed; Harry knew he shouldn't and that he could get caught and did it anyways. Also; Draco being turned into a ferret is treated like joke when it's plain child abuse by a person who is much stronger and in a position of power. And yet since Harry thinks it's totes funny we're all sipposed to agree.

Just sayin. Griffindors are assholes too and I think Draco had plenty of moments were I felt more sorry for him than Harry.

[green-glee.livejournal.com]

I think Draco was right in a lot things that he ended up getting mocked for

Only accidently though. He didn't do all that stuff because he actually thought Buckbeak/Norbert were dangerous, not even partly. He actively provoked Buckbeak so he would get hurt and Hagrid would get thrown out and if I recall correctly he looked happy when he found out about Norbert, not like he gave two shits about the fact that it was a dragon.

I'm sorry, I'm not gonna praise someone for doing the right things for the wrong reasons.

[silver-coins.livejournal.com]

Wut, did we read the same book. Draco never wanted to get hurt by Buckbeak; it happened because he genuinly thought it wasn't dangerous. After he got hurt he exagerated it, but it's never said that he got hurt on purpose. He got hurt and therefore had just another reason to not liek Hagrid and used it to his advantage.

[green-glee.livejournal.com]

Okay, I shouldn't have presented that as a fact, it's up for interpretation if he knew what would happen or not.

The way he acted it really seemed to me like he was trying to make something bad happen (he wasn't just lax, he outright insulted Buckbeak), but you are right, it could be that he geniunely underestimated how dangerous those beasts can be.
I just kinda doubt it since he came from a pureblood family and I would think those kids know about magical creatures.

[silver-coins.livejournal.com]

Fair enough. I always thought he wanted to make a fool out of Harry by proving that Buckbeaks wasn't dangerous. He says prior that what Harry did wasn't impressive because it's probably completely harmless so he made a fool of himself by getting hurt. Idk, it just seems out of character for him to set himself up for ridicule lihe that by contradiction his statement. But, yeah, it's up for interpration of course.

[green-glee.livejournal.com]

You've got a point there. It's been a while since I read the books, I probably should reread that scene.

[helenadax.livejournal.com]

Oh, of course, it's the way I interpret that when I'm writing fics, but I don't think it was meant to be a good trait.

[(Anonymous)]

ah, what does the original author know about it, novels are a collaborative process. The author has the story they want to tell, and then the reader has the story they want to read. Sometimes (most times) the two don't actually match up.

[(Anonymous)]

one of her unlikable characters a bit to fan-friendly

Draco isn't especially fan-friendly, though. I'm not saying it's impossible to like him, he is an interesting character, but he's portrayed in a very similar way to Dudley in canon. Leather-pants!Draco, on the other hand, is fan-friendly, probably because he was created by fans. His woobieness and hawt-factor were ranked up to eleven - when I first got into fandom and read Draco-fic, the character I found myself reading was nothing like the one from canon. I tended to picture Spike from Buffy, in all honesty, even before the leather-pants nickname took off.

Draco ended up as the loveable butt-monkey, Team Rocket, underdog guy instead

Again, this statement feels like it's applied to fanon!Draco, not the character from canon. If anyone got loveable butt-monkey status in canon, I think it would probably be Ron or Neville. It's just strange to me that fanon!Draco seems to be more prominent in people's minds then canon!Draco now. If I tried to keep a picture of fanon!Draco in my head as I was rereading the books, canon!Draco would appear to be OOC all the time because the two are nothing alike. Although, maybe that's why there are so many comments out there saying JKR got Draco "wrong"....

[(Anonymous)]

It's the woobie-fication that drives me up the wall. We can acknowledge that Draco grew up in an environment where maliciousness is encouraged, thus not making him fully responsible in the way he turned out. But let's not make him out better than he actually was. There were others around him who had set up a better example and he still managed to act like a twit towards people because it suited him to degrade others.

Yes, Draco got his redemptive arc. But it doesn't erase all the horrible things he did to people before that. He also didn't try do very much to make up for the shit he did before either (minimal effort), although I'm glad doesn't seem to be stirring up shit anymore.