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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-09-19 08:01 pm

[ SECRET POST #1721 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1721 ⌋


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(Anonymous) 2011-09-20 01:24 am (UTC)(link)
I think the key word here is "follow". Babies come after the war is over, not in the midst of it.

(Anonymous) 2011-09-20 01:38 am (UTC)(link)
Only in countries that never see fighting in their own homelands. I.e. in countries where one half of the pair marched off to fight somewhere else. Obviously there cannot be a baby boom if half of the people required for the booming aren't there.

In countries where combatants and civilians are mixed together you can expect to see birth rates rising during the conflict. Nothing like almost getting killed to get the blood pumping, and stimulate the desire to do the single most life affirming human interaction. Sex. Lots and lots of sex. And of course if you've got lots of people having lots of sex as a release valve for all sorts of feelings, then inevitably babies follow shortly thereafter. If you're lucky then the war might be over by the time they are delivered, but not always. Of course the flip side is, if the war is still going on then infant mortality rises as well, for all sorts of obvious reasons.

(Anonymous) 2011-09-20 01:57 am (UTC)(link)
Er, no. That's not what happened in Occupied Europe at all. Or Vietnam. I'm not as knowledgeable about less recent history, but that doesn't seem to be what happens in modern times, at all.

This is a good read, informative read: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1625481

In fact, a war's deletrious effect on the birth rate even in occupied nations has been well-documented since the Napoleonic Wars. As you'll see in the article, the same negative effect was observed in WWI, and Japanese-occupied China, and in most nations involved in WWII regardless of the nature of their involvement - most starkly in France and Russia, the latter of which was involved in some of the heaviest fighting and even employed female soldiers, which runs directly counter to your claims.

I'm no expert, but I did do my undergraduate thesis in the effect of crises on fertility rates, and what you're claiming goes against every piece of scientific evidence I've read.

[identity profile] ariseishirou.livejournal.com 2011-09-20 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
Ah-yep. I studied this as well. Not war directly, but we covered it a little, and it's neat to see some of the theory in action in this paper; e.g. where he points out that the neutral countries, unlike the nations at war, see an increase in fertility and relates that to their economic upswing.

It's all about the resources. There's a reason "post-war economic boom" is a related link on the "post-war baby boom" page on Wikipedia ;3 During war resources are scarce, people have fewer children. After a war this trend is often reverse because of improvements in the economy. We saw a mini-version of this pre- and post-recession; a fertility spike following the major troop withdrawals in Iraq and a crash with the economy.

Believe it or not, even when they were boning those soldier boys, our foremothers knew how to have sex without producing children ;3 After all, during the war he might not come back, and being a single mother in those times would have been disastrous. Anon needs to give women a lot more credit.