[ SECRET POST #1726 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1726 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 10 pages, 240 secrets from Secret Submission Post #247.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - hit/ship/spiration ], [ 0 - omgiknowthem ], [ 0 - take it to comments ], [ 1 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[dazzledfirestar.livejournal.com]

May I ask what your opinion in on say... shared universes like Marvel and DC and how those writers were fans at one point before getting the job to write these characters professionally? Some of them started in fan fic. *shrug*

And no, not everyone is going to get to that level, but does that mean they can't learn and improve through this? Just because you do it one way, doesn't mean everyone has to do it just like you.

[sandvich.livejournal.com]

I don't have much of an opinion on it. Most creative people start with fanstuff of some kind, and the fact that comics thrive on the sweet, delicious status quo means that someone who gets into comic writing as an adult will probably be working with the same characters that other writers were working with thirty years ago. And, just like fanfiction, most comics are awful. People who write good ones bring something more than childhood fanboyism. People who're still stuck in fanfic mode end up rebooting entire continuities so their favorite version of [SUPERHERO X] can be [SUPERHERO X] again.

If you look at the first paragraph of my comment, I do say that writing fanfiction is a fun hobby that can be -- and actually has been for me personally! -- great practice for other sorts of writing. I just think that people who hold it up as an art form that ought to be considered alongside the work of Shakespeare, Dante Alighieri and the like have their heads lodged up their asses.

[dazzledfirestar.livejournal.com]

Wow, you're just dismissive to everything that isn't high literature, aren'tyou? That's amazing. As someone else pointed out, it's not necessarily about the quality. As you said yourself, everyone's got to start somewhere.

Does everything have to be high literature? Is there no market for fluff and smut and that sort of thing? Of course not, and I happen to think that anyone who is of the opinion that you have to be writing Hamlet to be legit is a pretentious ass.

Maybe it's not an art form, but it's a way for people to express themselves in ways they might not have otherwise. It's a way to explore thoughts and issues someone may be having in their own life. And calling it silly when it's that kind of outlet for people is really shallow and simple minded.

[sandvich.livejournal.com]

No? I comment on ONTD and see every new Resident Evil movie on opening weekend, dude. Judging by the comments I've been getting in this thread, I think I'm coming off as much more confrontational and snobby than I meant to be, and I'm genuinely sorry for that. My issue isn't with people writing fanfiction or other people reading it, liking it, and even being personally affected by it. I've read fanfic -- and comics, and seen episodes of Kim Possible -- that I enjoy a lot more than I enjoyed Hamlet. I actually kind of hate Hamlet! My issue is with people who think that e-published fanfiction should be considered as significant and valid as various classic works on a cultural level.

[dazzledfirestar.livejournal.com]

Well, there are many published works that aren't as significant or important on a cultural level too. I don't think fanfic is any different (aside from not having a professional editor and marketing...) as it's simply someone putting their idea out there. The problem here is, you're implying that everyone has to see things the way you do. Everyone should just "admit" it's silly. But who are you to tell anyone what to find silly?

As someone else pointed out, it's a subjective term. What you see as silly is important to someone else. That doesn't make them wrong.

[(Anonymous)]

It makes me sad that you're using Britta and Annie's faces to be such a douche :(

[sandvich.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry, anon. :( Imagine me as Kent Mansley and everything will make sense again.

[rattyrayvn.livejournal.com]

See, I wasn't even part of this discussion and now all I can imagine is Kent Mansley hunched over a computer at 3AM, hammering out an unnecessarily angry response on F!S.

It kind of made my day.

OMG my day is made too.

[marshwiggledyke.livejournal.com]

In my head he's on a laptop in the toilet, because someone slipped Kent some more Coco-Lax.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Oh dear, Shakespeare isn't high art AT. ALL. He catered to the lowest common denominator of his day, and his objective was to pack seats at the theatre and make Elizabeth I happy. And, he stole almost everything he wrote. LOL

[sandvich.livejournal.com]

And?

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

I just think that people who hold it up as an art form that ought to be considered alongside the work of Shakespeare, Dante Alighieri and the like have their heads lodged up their asses.

It isn't my misunderstanding that you consider Shakespeare better than fanfic.

[(Anonymous)]

This essay does a much better job than I ever could at pointing out exactly on how many levels the idea of opposing fanfic and literature is stupid:

http://bookshop.livejournal.com/1044495.html

[queenoftea.livejournal.com]

I'm going to jump on a grenade here and say that I agree with you. Fanfiction is a LOT of fun. But it will never produce anything that makes me sit back and think about the choices I've made in my own life the way that, say, Vonnegut's classics do. Even boring ass high school assigned novels pull that little cord in my brain that says "This book is saying something about /me/" - I hated "Unbearable Lightness of Being", but the theme it covered was something I could relate to, the choice to accept responsibility at the loss of your own happiness or to shrug it off and live a happy selfish life. Shakespeare wrote for the common people, yes, BUT his stories were about internal conflict in powerful men - they fought demons that they did occasionally lose to, and their issues were understandable even if they weren't sympathetic.

I have never read a fanfic that makes me want to be a better person. I have read very few fanfics that actually challenge the characters. I think in general authors who write it are doing it for shits and giggles, so there's no drive there to actually tell a complete story beginning to end - you're just touching on a scene to create an emotional response (arousal, sadness, squee, shock etc.) because that's what's sought after. AND THAT IS ABSOLUTELY OKAY! Everything has a place! But I see fanfic as say, a Thomas Kinkade, versus a Dali - both are beautiful, both inspire a certain emotion, but one has layers of intention to it that the other one doesn't need to have.