[ SECRET POST #1726 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1726 ⌋


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Comments

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

Uh, no? That actually is a pretty common sentiment in the J-fandom. I don't know what the argument against it is in the Western fandom, though you've filled us in on that, which is interesting, thanks.

[niorapth.livejournal.com]

No, I'm arguing on the technical aspect, which is echoed in both fandoms and doesn't specifically apply to the 'Western' and 'J-fandom'. If you hadn't noticed, Square stopped 'dumbing down' FF games since FF Mystic Quest. Square actually works like this - release Japanese version, release 'Western' version + add ons + bug fixes, then release another Japanese version updated with the stuff the 'Western' version got (aka Final Mix, International version etc). So, WHERE'S THE DUMBING DOWN? If anything, the Western audience got more stuff than the Japanese people at launch, but the Japanese fandom has more supplementary material never released in the Western world (novellas, special drinks and food etc).

But no, you're too wrapped up in WEST VS J and arguing on ~feelings~ instead of technicality.

Newflash - most Japanese gamers don't even CARE about Western gamers, since nearly ALL FF games are translated into English anyway, and in now's case, both are released nearly simultaneously, hence the 'Western' audience not getting any add ons.

I don't know what kind of 'J-Fandom' you're lurking at, but do note that most of the J-fandom doesn't mind the 360 as much as you're making them. People got it to play im@s after all (and Tales of Vesperia... but that's another story).

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

Newflash - most Japanese gamers don't even CARE about Western gamers, since nearly ALL FF games are translated into English anyway

All Japanese gamers are FF players? What? How do you explain the massive explosion of hostility and the STOP LOCALIZING WESTERN GAMES SQUENIX and the death threats to the developers from Japanese gamers when FFXIII was announced for the Xbox, then?

But no, you're too wrapped up in WEST VS J and arguing on ~feelings~ instead of technicality.

....Er, given this lengthy and hostile tirade, I'm beginning to suspect I'm not the one arguing on account of 'feelings', bro.

If you must know, I've been hanging out in the Fallout/CoD/Dead Space side of J-fandom, and yes I do hear an awful lot of shit directed at both Western gamers for ruining the industry and at my 360-owning Japanese friends who play Western games for being, basically, traitors who are ruining the industry.

[niorapth.livejournal.com]

Opps, poorly worded. But anyway, they don't care. The only time they even remotely care is when a new fighting game (usually Street Fighter)comes out, and they have to compete with the Westerners on the world stage(see EVO, SBO, NSB). Other than that, both fandoms don't ever clash.

Funny, I lurk at the Japanese side of the fandom too. Apart from the usual rants against Western GAMERS, they have nothing against the developers themselves. If so, Capcom, Square, Taito etc would all be gone now, since they've been 'localizing' since the 80s. What, a few death threats == the whole fandom is nuts now?

FFXIII was not announced for the 360 just for the ~west~ though. It was for both regions. They argued based on what I said - technicality. They KNEW the 360 can't handle the length and features of what Square originally promised. They weren't being asshats to the West, they were being asshats because they're getting a trimmed down experience.

Pfft, a few flamers makes the whole fandom now? The amount of fans of the games outweigh the more vocal flamers.

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

Funny, I lurk at the Japanese side of the fandom too.

Depends entirely which fandom, I found. I've been reasonably active in the Japanese fandoms for Biohazard, DMC, and SMT for years, and aside from the occasional random racist, who was certainly not indicative of the entire group, as you say, everything was just peachy. I had exactly the same view of J-fandom that you did. Welcoming and actually pretty awesome, but with the same number of random crazies you'd find here.

Then I moved on to you-ge fandoms and it like night and day. It is no longer a happy love in welcoming funtimes; idiots flame us constantly. Even some of my old friends from the RE/SMT fandoms have been up in arms about me liking shooters (though that's only to be expected, whitey likes them guns).

And yes, when I ask why more Japanese people don't play Western games - even games all about character development and even dating, like ME - one of the most common answers is that it's not cute enough (or there aren't enough cute girls, etc.). It's just the truth.

They argued based on what I said - technicality.

Nah, it wasn't. There was a lot of that to be sure, but it brought out a shitton of people crying about the takeover of the evil foreign 360, and that they shouldn't be supporting foreign console developers by giving Japanese gamers the choice to play games on it. If they bought a 360, they only get to play "shitty" you-ge.

Still don't agree with me about the anti-Western bias amongst Japanese gamers? Well, the CEO of Square-Enix (http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/96584-Squeenix-CEO-Calls-Out-Japanese-Gamers-on-Western-Bias) does (note that one of the reasons is the poor sales of MW2, which pretty much destroys any point you had posting it as "proof" that Japanese gamers aren't).

I'm prettttty sure he knows his shit better than you. And what he's say is certainly in line with my experience, too. So yeah, we'll have to agree to disagree about personal experience, but facts and authoritative sources are on my side on this one. You haven't provided anything but anecdotes, with an obvious (and highly emotional) pro-Japanese bias.