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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-09-24 03:43 pm

[ SECRET POST #1726 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1726 ⌋


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[identity profile] ariseishirou.livejournal.com 2011-09-25 05:38 am (UTC)(link)
Naw, you can't pretend that "sells any units at all, whatsoever, even a tiny percentage" is "selling" or "console pushing" in any meaningful sense.

In fact, "DON'T SELL" isn't an argument I ever made. It doesn't even appear in my comments. You made it up completely, because one Kotaku article about games sales is all you've got to back up your argument.

But, in attacking even a made-up argument, you're still completely wrong:

(Source (http://gamrreview.vgchartz.com/))

Sales of MW2 in Japan - 420,000 units
Sales of MW2 in the Americas (not the "West", just the NA region) - 13 million

To be sure, THEY HAVE MORE PEOPLE, as you say, in the NA region - about three times more - but not over thirty times more. And MW2 is one of the best-selling console FPS games in Japan, ever. Look at Gears, or Halo, or even Resistance - their Japanese sales are absolutely pitiful.

But I see the rest of this is backpedalling about Japan being a "niche" market, so it doesn't really matter if it only sells a few copies! You forget, this is the same "niche" market that moved two million units of FFXIII. They certainly do have a considerable market share. It has plummeted in recent years, but it was as high as 50% of the global game market as recently as 2002 (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/9159905.stm).

Popular Japanese games sell in the West? Tell that to Tales, tell that to Bust-a-Move, tell that to -gasp- the Mega Man series, tell that to Monster Hunter etc. The only current success for Japanese games in the west right now are fighting games.

Er, yes, that's exactly what I said. Japanese games - like DMC, RE, MGS, Pokemon, Mario, etc. - do sell in the West. But the opposite is simply not true. So... you're still proving my entirely correct point that Western game sales are pitiful in Japan compared to the sales of Japanese games in the West, which is what I actually said, instead of DON'T SELL, which is something you made up entirely.

Seriously, try to calm down. The "kawaii" comment was a bit snarky, but I'm making objectively true claims about the respective gaming markets. I know there are a tiny minority of Japanese gamers who play Western games - I'm friends with a ton of them. They're completely awesome people. And not everyone who likes JRPGs is a weeaboo - I'm a big Atlus fan myself.

I can pull actual games sales stats all day if you want, and all you seem to have is one Kotaku article that actually proves my point (that 360 sales are pitiful and even MW2 - one of the top-selling games of all time - didn't move that many units comparably in Japan).