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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-09-30 07:43 pm

[ SECRET POST #1732 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1732 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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02.
[Troop Beverly Hills]


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03.
[Sanctuary]


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04.
[Law & Order: Criminal Intent]


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05.
(Mikael Åkerfeldt and Steven Wilson)


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06.
[FFVIII]


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07.
[Man of the House]


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08.
[Kingdom Hearts]


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09.
[Harry Potter]


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10. [repeat]


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11.
[Doctor Who]


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12.
[Bandom]


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13.
[Steve Juliano/I Am Ghost]


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14.
[WWE]


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15.
[Doctor Stephen Strange, Jon Stewart, Robert Downey Jr., Michael Palin, Reed Richards.]


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17. [posted twice]


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18.
[FDR/Winston Churchill]


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21.
[The Guy with the Glasses]


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22.
[Amadeus]


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23.
[Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica]


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24.
[Alphas]


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25.
[The World Ends With You]


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26.
[WWE]


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29.
[Homestuck]


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30.
[Doctor Who]


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31. [repeat]


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[ ----- SPOILERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]













32. [SPOILERS for Persona 4]



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33. [SPOILERS for Fallout 3]



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34. [SPOILERS for Buffy the Vampire Slayer]



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35. [SPOILERS for Leviathan]



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36. [SPOILERS for Pokemon Special]



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37. [SPOILERS for A Song of Ice and Fire]



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38. [SPOILERS for A Storm of Swords]



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[ ----- TRIGGERY SECRETS AHEAD ----- ]















39. [TRIGGER WARNING for sexual assault]



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40. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]



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41. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]



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42. [TRIGGER WARNING for anti-trans violence]

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 (suicide trigger) - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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[identity profile] ladyyuna07.livejournal.com 2011-10-01 01:26 am (UTC)(link)
"Amelia Pond" is more of a symbol for the Doctor. It's more HIM letting go of his image of her as an innocent little girl, rather than him saying "You're Amy Williams now, go be oppressed by your husband."

As SOON as I heard it, I thought 'Oh dear God, all the sexual oppression police are going to come out of the woodwork on that, can't anyone realize it's symbolic and not literal????'.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-01 03:28 am (UTC)(link)
Intent doesn't matter. The implication's still there.

There was other ways to address her adult self like Mrs. Amy Pond, which she is. Her name is not Williams in any way.

Forgive people feeling slighted that one of the rare occasions that a guy takes up a girl's surname in a society that would call him completely pussywhooped and not a man for it all of a sudden is implicated that to address her as an adult, you have to address her with her husband's surname she never took after.

[identity profile] pet-lunatic.livejournal.com 2011-10-01 10:08 am (UTC)(link)
But she isn't Amy Williams now. There's no canon evidence she chose to change her name.

Certainly it's symbolic, and I understand the purpose of the scene, but there's an added (I'm prepared to accept it may have been accidental) symbolism which to my mind is slightly disturbing - this is primarily a series for children, some of whom are now going to think that the proper grown-up thing to do for a married woman is to take her husband's name. It doesn't matter whether this added layer was intended. It's there, the result of an ingrained acceptance of some unfortunate social conventions. And yes, it bothers me that 'Williams' would even be on the cards as her 'real' surname.
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[identity profile] mekkio.livejournal.com 2011-10-01 02:35 pm (UTC)(link)
As SOON as I heard it, I thought 'Oh dear God, all the sexual oppression police are going to come out of the woodwork on that, can't anyone realize it's symbolic and not literal????'.

And you would be right. But then these are the same people who would rather let Donna die a horrible, painful death than have the Doctor take her memories to save her. Even so much as calling it "mind rape." (Yeah, as if the Doctor is just going to walk away and let one of his best friends die in agony. Do they even know the Doctor?)

You can't really win.
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[identity profile] penumbra.livejournal.com 2011-10-02 03:33 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah. Except Russell T Davies didn't have to contrive the "death vs complete removal of agency" dilemma in the first place. He deliberately contrived a narrative in which Donna ended up with no memories, completely divested of agency. For him as a writer it wasn't actually a choice between that and killing her off -- so to characterise people who have an issue with the ending to her story as "preferring to let Donna die a horrible, painful death" when that's a false dichotomy entire contrived by Russell T Davies himself is pretty disingenuous. I'm sure that what most people actually would have wanted for Donna is an ending which serviced her as a character, i.e. something like her choosing to leave the Tardis for her own reasons.