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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-10-23 03:44 pm

[ SECRET POST #1755 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1755 ⌋


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[identity profile] wldcatsprstr-14.livejournal.com 2011-10-24 02:46 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, an abused child who really shows no signs of abuse, psychological or otherwise and who a reader would probably never guess was abused if they hadn't been told by the author. Harry's abuse at the hands of the Dursley's barely plays into the story other than "his family members are selfish shitty people. Look how much better than them he is." So saying he's a victim of abuse like it has some serious bearing on his story, like we see him recovering from the trauma of his abuse, or like we even see him suffering any trauma at all as a result of his abuse is just silly. He's more well-adjusted that some of the people in the books who had normal childhoods.

And I know children are not adults. For one, children are generally smarter than adults when it comes to certain things. And Harry's not a child for every single book. He's a kid who grows up under extenuating circumstances in a world where childhood ends much earlier than it does for us.

[identity profile] eerised-da.livejournal.com 2011-10-24 04:42 am (UTC)(link)
You also assume that everyone responds to trauma and abuse in the same way. When I was fourteen and furious at the world for my mother's death, struggling with not only all of the teenaged angst but also all the things that came along with her death, no one who didn't know me would know what I was going through or how strongly it affected me.

There is no absolute way to define how every single person will react to and act after experiencing trauma. One person may break down and cry, another may stand up and push those feelings down, another may ignore them so completely they do not even know they are there.

[identity profile] wldcatsprstr-14.livejournal.com 2011-10-24 01:27 pm (UTC)(link)
But this is the real world. Harry Potter is fiction. And in fiction, if you want something to appear relevant to a story, you have to emphasize it. You can't just say "this character was abused" and then show no scars of that and expect it to have real bearing on the story. A character like Snape does a much better of showing how trauma and abuse shapes a person than Harry does because, even though everyone reacts differently to trauma, Snape has a personality type that people generally associate with someone who went through what he did. He's bitter, mean, and generally angsting and angry at the world. Harry comes off as a completely well-adjusted kid who has really no negative baggage from his life at the Dursley's except that he has to play catch-up with the wizarding world. He doesn't LOOK like an abused kid, even if we're told he is one. And in fiction, you can't just tell about something just because it's a story. You have to show it and bring it to life.

[identity profile] eerised-da.livejournal.com 2011-10-24 02:42 pm (UTC)(link)
I disagree. Relevancy does not mean throwing it in everyone's face. Sometimes subtlety works too. And because everyone reacts to trauma differently, Harry reacting to his as he did worked. He live his entire life abused and neglected, so why can't his coping mechanism be to ignore it as best he can and always look on the bright side? Why can't the best way for him to get by be to be really positive. Not everyone becomes bitter and horrid because they suffer abuse, not ever abuse person becomes an abuser or sits around being the victim and hating life.

Yes, it's a story, but stories should still mimic real life. If one abused kid decides to ignore the abuse--especially when there isn't anyone out there to save him from him--that doesn't mean he isn't still damaged by it. And again, get hung up on how he looks. He's tiny for his age for most of the books because of being forced to live in a cupboard and not fed well enough, a sign of his malnutrition and neglect even if no one pays attention to it.

All of his baggage makes itself known subtly until the fifth book when he's raging all the time. That wasn't just a product of Cedric's death.

Either way, look at it how you want, but I disagree.