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fandomsecrets2011-10-23 03:44 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2011-10-23 03:44 pm
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(Anonymous) 2011-10-24 11:05 pm (UTC)(link)"Feminazi" is a term I know very little about, other than hearing it used to refer to very militant feminists, rather than (again) women as a whole. And by "militant" I don't mean pushing the feminist agenda, but just sort of being jerks to anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with them. Every single political and social movement has those jerks.
As for the third - I thought that was just an insult to an individual? Not that it makes it okay, but it doesn't make it anti-feminist. Just because you label yourself as a feminist doesn't mean you are suddenly immune to shit. If a person called themselves, say, a Democrat, and another person said "well you're just a stupid and ugly Democrat", it wouldn't be a cool thing to say, but it's also not an attack against Democrats.
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(Anonymous) 2011-10-24 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)research this shit and quit showing your ignorant ass all over the place
bitch is an insult because a bitch is a female dog. it's also been used, and is still used, to put down any woman who disagrees with a man or is too ~confrontational~ toward him. which is exactly how it was used here.
feminazi is offensive because it implies feminism is just like a fascist dictatorship that committed horrible acts of genocide. it implies that men are somehow victimized by feminism and feminists.
the third one? fuck, this is what makes me wonder if you're just trolling, because seriously? how does anyone not see that as sexist? not only did he imply that a woman's only worth is her appearance, he also was suggesting that the only possible reason someone could disagree with his ignorant view of sexism just ~hates men~ which, he implies all over the thread, is totally just as bad as being a misogynist.
learn a little something about context and privilege, maybe then you'll stop stanning for misogynists and whining about how ~people that insult men are just as bad as people being misogynist dicks~
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(Anonymous) 2011-10-24 11:18 pm (UTC)(link)Anyway, I'm not stanning for anyone here and I NEVER said that insulting a man is as bad as being a misogynist. I only took issue with interpretation. If you can't get past that, I don't really want to have a conversation (and frankly I'm tired of this wank anyway).
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(Anonymous) 2011-10-24 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)good choice.
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(Anonymous) 2011-10-24 11:22 pm (UTC)(link)no subject
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(Anonymous) 2011-10-24 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)"Bitch" is not remotely analogous to "bastard" or "prick," and has a far different history -- it's a false equivalency. "Bitch" is a gross slur and compares a woman to an animal -- specifically, to a female dog used for breeding. Think about that for a minute. Considering the treatment of women even now, and still more in the past, this is disgusting.
"Feminazi" is a disgusting and absurd term used to discredit feminists by comparing them to Nazis. Now think about this one for a minute. They are literally saying that by wanting women to have the same rights and privileges as men, feminists are just like Nazis. This is incredibly offensive, and not just because feminists aren't like Nazis. And if you think its use is limited to women who are "jerks" (and really, who decides whether they are or not? Oh yeah. Men), well, you're pretty damn naive. Any woman who dares speak out against a man about sexism and misogyny is pretty automatically termed a "feminazi."
There is a pretty long history of men calling women "ugly" and "fat" in order to discredit and shame them into shutting up and shutting down. Particularly, feminists have been stereotyped as being fat, ugly women who just hate men and want to, idk, put them down or something, rather than ordinary, everyday women who just want equal rights. It's a way to shame women into silence, and it is pretty much only used against women and especially feminists. Calling a feminist a "fat, ugly man-hater" is an attempt to shame her and discredit and disregard her feelings and opinions as just "hating men" and a natural result of her being fat and ugly (because obviously your appearance has so much to do with your intellectual ability, amirite?!). There is a long, long, long history of insults to women's appearances being used to shame and discredit them and shut them up. And again, comparing it to someone insulting a Democrat like that -- which nobody does, by the way, nobody ever looks at someone and goes "you're a Democrat, so you must be fat and ugly!" but they suuure as fuck do with feminists -- is a false equivalency.