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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-10-23 03:44 pm

[ SECRET POST #1755 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1755 ⌋


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Secrets Left to Post: 09 pages, 206 secrets from Secret Submission Post #251.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Re: Are there any men watching?

(Anonymous) 2011-10-25 02:31 am (UTC)(link)
MISANDRY IS NOT A FUCKING THING.

MEN HAVE NOT BEEN OPPRESSED BY WOMEN FOR CENTURIES. THERE IS NO HISTORY OF WOMEN SPEAKING DOWN TO MEN, DEPRIVING THEM OF THEIR RIGHTS, SHAMING AND CONTROLLING THEIR SEXUALITY, OR OTHERWISE BEING IN A PLACE OF POWER AND PRIVILEGE OVER THEM. WE LIVE IN A FUCKING PATRIARCHY, NOT A MATRIARCHY. THAT MEANS MEN HAVE POWER AND PRIVILEGE OVER WOMEN, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. THAT MEANS WE'RE NOT ON EQUAL FOOTING TO START WITH. THAT MEANS WHEN YOU SAY "we have to treat each sex exactly the same, as if they're already on equal ground" WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS "I think each conversation between a man and a woman exists in a cultural vaccuum," IE YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT

PLEASE

CEASE AND DESIST

THERE'S THIS THING CALLED CONTEXT. PLEASE LEARN ABOUT IT BEFORE YOU TYPE A BUNCH OF IGNORANT SHIT LIKE WHAT YOU'VE JUST POSTED.

Re: Are there any men watching?

[identity profile] curseangel.livejournal.com 2011-10-25 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
Oh my god, this. So much this. Thaaaank you.

Re: Are there any men watching?

[identity profile] mondaisenshi.livejournal.com 2011-10-25 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
Let me just say this:

Misandry exists.

It's generally a non-issue when compared to misogyny. But as I said, hate is still hate and is never okay.

Re: Are there any men watching?

(Anonymous) 2011-10-25 03:31 am (UTC)(link)
if you can accept it's a complete nonissue compared to misogyny, why are you still here whining about it and pretending it's equally bad to be a misandrist as it is to be a misogynist

Re: Are there any men watching?

[identity profile] mondaisenshi.livejournal.com 2011-10-25 04:12 am (UTC)(link)
Because hate is hate. It's never okay. I mean, genocide is..... insanely worse than a single murder. But that doesn't make murder okay. Yes, the analogy is convoluted and exaggerated to a level that throws the issue out of proportion. But the point is, just because it's not AS bad doesn't mean it's not bad.

Re: Are there any men watching?

(Anonymous) 2011-10-25 04:18 am (UTC)(link)
i think even you don't know what the fuck you're trying to argue anymore

Re: Are there any men watching?

[identity profile] mondaisenshi.livejournal.com 2011-10-25 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, I definitely do. Maybe you don't know what I've been saying this entire time.

Re: Are there any men watching?

(Anonymous) 2011-10-25 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
what you've been saying the whole time is "women are bitches and feminazis should just shut the fuck up and let men speak over them about feminism, because we totally live in a post-sexist society where men and women are already on equal ground and there's no such thing as misogynist language."

ie

"i don't know what the hell i'm talking about"

Re: Are there any men watching?

[identity profile] mondaisenshi.livejournal.com 2011-10-25 05:11 am (UTC)(link)
Glad you've managed to hear that in my words. Awesome.

Re: Are there any men watching?

(Anonymous) 2011-10-25 05:20 am (UTC)(link)
when you defend a man who's using terms like 'fat ugly manhaters' and 'bitch' and 'feminazi' on the basis that 'he's really a nice guy maybe' then yes, you are basically saying women who take exception to those terms should just shut the fuck up and let him talk all over them because clearly his feelings and thoughts are more important than women's

Re: Are there any men watching?

[identity profile] curseangel.livejournal.com 2011-10-25 04:33 am (UTC)(link)
That analogy is just wrong.

Misandry is to misogyny as... idk, jaywalking is to mass murder, if you must use a crime analogy. It's writing a bad check compared to billion-dollar war profiteering. It's shoplifting to organizing a coup to take over a small country. It really just is not comparable, because, to use another analogy, misandry (if it even exists, which it.. doesn't, really) is like a pebble, while misogyny is like... idk, a freaking moon.