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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-10-25 07:49 pm

[ SECRET POST #1757 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1757 ⌋


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Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 119 secrets from Secret Submission Post #.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-26 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
That's ignoring Germany's reasons for the "Gegen Nazis" movement. Germany was humiliated after WWII, completely humiliated, and forced to pay reparations for what they had done. Germany's horror and aversions to anything pertaining to the Third Reich is instilled because the world demanded that the Germans never forget. I'm personally furious at the sheer racism and stereotyping against modern Germans for what a political party did. Yes, Germany stomps down on nationalism, but it's not just Nazism. It's all aspects of German society.

Nazi fetishism is abhorred in many parts of Europe because the Europeans were affected by the machinations of the Third Reich. Americans remember because of the prominence of Jews in that country and "Never Forget", as well as seeing firsthand what the Nazis had done when they liberated of several concentration camps.

Japan never had that. The Japanese atrocities were largely forgotten by the Western world after the Tokyo Trials on the world scale. The Germans were allies of the Japanese, even though they considered the Japanese a lesser people. They were friends to the Japanese and there is still a German expat community in Japan. The Japanese never experienced Germany the way America and Europe did. I think if the roles were switched and Japanese WWII uniforms showed up in German art, there wouldn't be this huge backlash because the Germans never experienced that side of the Japanese as "bad".
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[personal profile] scentbombed 2011-10-26 03:33 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know why you're picking a fight with me, since I'm pretty clearly on modern Germany's side, here. I'm also not sure how I'm ignoring... anything, by saying that Germany is very intense about cracking down on nationalism.

Japan is ignorant of their own involvement in World War II. They're ignorant of who their allies were and what they did; they're ignorant of what they, themselves, did. Like I said, it's very "oh, SOMETHING BAD."
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[identity profile] mekkio.livejournal.com 2011-10-26 01:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Americans remember because of the prominence of Jews in that country and "Never Forget", as well as seeing firsthand what the Nazis had done when they liberated of several concentration camps.

Again, I hate this excuse. Because it doesn't hold up water as to why the Japanese can get away with fetishing Nazis. Just because your country wasn't involved in a tragedy doesn't mean you get to turn that tragedy or the people who commit it into a fetish. Americans were not part of the genocides that went on in Sudan, Cambodia and the massacres in Haiti under Papa Doc's regime. But Americans know about them and would never glamorize it.

People who are defending the fetishing of the Nazis are willfully saying that ignorance is fine. It's not.