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fandomsecrets2011-10-25 07:49 pm
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[ SECRET POST #1757 ]
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Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 119 secrets from Secret Submission Post #.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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(Anonymous) 2011-10-26 04:04 pm (UTC)(link)OP Again
(Anonymous) 2011-10-26 05:28 pm (UTC)(link)Because that'd be like saying 'oh well I'm a muslim woman, and I've never faced sexism, so it must not be there'. Yeah, no.
Re: OP Again
Re: OP Again
(Anonymous) 2011-10-27 01:10 am (UTC)(link)Things You Should Already Know:
1) No community or culture is perfect.
2) Multiple countries, people, groups, religions, cultures, etc. suffered devastating holocausts/injustices/massacres/etc.
3) Their flaws DO NOT make them deserve any of their suffering. EVER.
I have no insult that fits my opinion of you, OP.
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(Anonymous) 2011-10-27 04:09 pm (UTC)(link)Let me explain a few things to you, since your higher reasoning function seems borked.
1. The Jewish community is not a fucking monolith. There are homophobic Jews and gay Jews, racist Jews and black Jews, sexist Jews and female rabbis. The Jewish community exists on a spectrum of political and social stances, and the thing we have in common is our identity as Jews. You can't say "all Jews are homophobic" any more than you can say "all Christians are homophobic" or "all Brits are homophobic." That's called a sweeping generalisation, children, and is frowned upon in places where logic is a virtue.
2. Some frum Jews are virulently homophobic. That is an acknowledged issue in the community. But it's also changing, and being challenged, and we're fucking working on it, so unless you're a goddamn frum Jew, stop telling us how to deal with our own issues. Do you also call out racial minorities on their racial prejudices? No? Then sit the fuck down and police yourself before you police us.
3. Reform Judaism and to a great extent Conservative Judaism, especially in the United States, is open, inclusive, and performs fucking gay marriages. They have gay rabbis, especially in Reform congregations. If that's your definition of homophobia, then what the fuck are you smoking?
4. Israel is one of the only countries in the Middle East where being gay is not fucking illegal. The Pride Parade in Tel Aviv is huge. There's a large gay community in Tel Aviv, and gay couples are pretty fucking normative in some parts of the city, the same way it is in all major cities in Western counties. We have fucking common law marriages for gay couples in Israel, which is better than most of the US, and the laws are improving. This is fucking homophobia on a vast and terrible scale, how?
You're bi and you've experienced oppression and apparently, you seem to think the Jews are your problem. And maybe you have experienced some oppression, it's impossible to be a sexual minority and not. But for fuck's sake -- stop taking it out on the Jews because you're frustrated and you've bought into a damn extremist image of us that says we're clearly out to shut down your sexy fun tiems and must be the devil incarnate. Work on your own fucking issues before you start worrying what happens in our community.
I am really insanely tired of gentiles, especially white girls who think they know what Oppression Really Looks Like, telling me how awful I am, how my people are the Worst Evar, and I'm so oppressed. Why don't you let me work on my community, and you check your own issues at the door.
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-queer Jew