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⌈ Secret Post #1771 ⌋

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Pacing can be objectively measured. If the plot hasn't been introduced by the first third of the book, it's considered to be badly formed as a story arc by novel standards. The denouement should also not overshadow the climax.

Themes and style should be consistent, or they should have a reasoning behind the switch. For example "A Visit from the Goon Squad" switches POV, tense, etc. in each vignette for a reason tied to the plot. Stephenie Meyer switches out between past and present because she doesn't know the difference in its appropriateness.

You can't introduce a logical system in the world and change it later and without reason to suit your needs. You can't introduce plot points relevant to the story and then forget them. The measures of success in these things is very subjective, but her failure to tie up plot points presented in the novel are not indicative of a good story.

Twilight is a successful book, but Meyers is absolutely wrong when she says it surpasses Shakespeare, Bronte, Austen, and other famous classics that knew when to adhere to the writing conventions and when to break them. And I agree there's a lot of leeway and nobody should be shamed for liking the book. I'm speaking as someone who loves escapist fantasy fiction, and I think some of them are really amazing writers. But I'm going to hold up their writing to the same conventions and criticisms when measuring the worthiness of their skill.

Also I wholly disagree with you on grammar not being important. It's like building a fort and using spit for your mortar. Sure, your bricks may be nice and the overall design may be beautiful, but it won't hold together as it should. When she mistakes "vampire canon" for "vampire cannon" there is an important and hilarious difference in that one letter.

...Wait.

Meyer said that Twilight surpasses Shakespeare?

My God, I don't have an icon appropriate for my amusement/befuddlement/irritation. SO MANY FEELINGS.

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http://www.cracked.com/funny-1807-stephenie-meyer/

When Stephenie Meyer claimed her work wasn't just escapist fantasy schlock and started taking potshots at "The Princess Bride" missing how it's a parody that's when I stopped using subjective taste as a defense. She wants to compare herself to the greats of literary canon, she better accept the criticism that comes from aiming for the standards of those works.

I have long believed that Stephanie Meyer is a gigantic, brilliant troll and this just cements it.

Who says that kind of shit in all seriousness?

Ehm... saying that Romeo & Juliet's "true love" was not as true as Bella & Edward's love is NOT the same as claiming that Twilight "surpasses Shakespeare, Bronte, Austen, and other famous classics", as you said above. I admit that Meyer's need to declare that Bella and Edward had the truest of true love is still really ridiculous, but it sounds like you (and the Cracked article -- "Really, Meyer? Oh yes, you're so much better than all those authors.") are missing the context of the original question (basically how do other classic couples stack up to Bella & Edward's ~true love~). Admittedly, she does say The Princess Bride has weak female characters, so that is a legit claim she writes better than Goldman, but I'm not seeing "Twilight surpasses Shakespeare" anywhere here.

That article is just the tip of the iceberg in her egomaniac interviews, but it's indicative of her overall attitude. You can check her website for further gems of her humility, such as "Edward would totally win against Harry Potter" or "I was inspired by the Shakespearean sonnet but it's more romantic when Edward delivers it as prose" or the glorious "I've never read Dracula, my vampires are wholly unique" if you're truly interested. But, as for why so many people take that as an affront here is the logic they discern from her.

1. She (erroneously) believes "The Princess Bride," "Romeo & Juliet," "Wuthering Heights" are romance stories. Not parodies, tragedies, or gothic novels. She mistakenly appropriates them multiple times in interviews, so it's not just this one context.

2. The aim of a romance story is, essentially, to accurately and poetically present the relationship between two people in a way that is transcendental and art.

3. She believes "Twilight" has succeeded in this point better than every other mentioned novel.

4. PROFIT.

You are correct in that she's never said her writing has surpassed these things, and if I gave that impression it was on me, but she gives more than enough indication to believe her own hype in thinking her story is better than these classics in what it aimed for. And that is grounds enough for people to start calling out comparisons and hers falling short.

Plus, I love "The Princess Bride" to pieces so she can step the hell off.

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