[ SECRET POST #1775 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1775 ⌋


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Comments

[urplesquirrel.livejournal.com]

Here's how we fix overpopulation, OP:

Comprehensive sex education, reliable birth control(that's affordable), and advancing women's rights and education.

The main cause of overpopulation isn't the women in first-world countries (like most 'babies ever after' stories are) who think having a baby is a necessary part of their happy ending.

The main cause of overpopulation is all of the women in poor countries with little or no access to birth control who end up having six or seven children when they'd rather have one or two (or none)!

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

Ah-yep, you've said it all.

[kribban.livejournal.com]

Actually, a lot of poor people choose to have many babies to make sure that at least some of them survive to adult age.

Also they want their children to support them in their old age.

When child mortality goes down, birth rates go down. When poverty goes down, birth rates go down.

[visiblemarket.livejournal.com]

This. In countries where you don't have financial systems set up that make it possible for you to actually save enough money to live on in your old age, or where there aren't government institutions like Social Security set up to take care of people who can't work for a living anymore, having a lot of kids who will end up taking care of you is a logical, necessary thing to do.

Also, a lot of times, there's a population spike in places where the cultural perception of "You have to have a lot of kids because some of them will end up dying" bumps up against lower child mortality, before things adjust to replacement rate or lower.

Basically, birth rates and overpopulation are incredibly complicated things that won't be fixed by just saying "Have fewer babies".

[fireez.livejournal.com]

Advancing women's rights - reproductive and other - and investing in their education is actually a tried and proven method to reduce poverty, and through that child mortality and birth rates, in a country. So I do think the poster above you has a point.

[mentalguru.livejournal.com]

Thing is though, as someone else pointed out distribution is a factor also in terms of resource use (which is the main argument surrounding overpopulation problems and all).

A child or person in a first world country, even some of the poorest there consumes much more than deprived children or people in third world countries after all on average. I think I remember ages ago that the average (American? Or was it British person?) consumption rate means- well if EVERYONE had that average three worlds would be needed in terms of (certain?) resources. Those are a lot of things though to help in that area eventually, I think technological advancement in energy production other than fossil fuels and all.

Overall I do agree everyone that obviously more education in options matter a lot, if only because people can get a lot more out of life. We have to remember though people can have lots of children because there was once (or is still) a time when mortality rate of course was really high. Also there's the fact lack of social care from governments such as pensions mean children are eventually needed to look after parents when they're older.

Oh and lack of options for women etc of course (and not just birth control options either). Plus some cultures value boys more, or maybe only boys are allowed to have paid work- so many families may try a lot of times if they only have girls initially.

It's not just access to birth control but many things in society. I mean certain cultures do frown on birth control anyway even when it's available to some degree (granted frowning on this puts another barrier on that option for women, either through fear or believing it themselves).

[urplesquirrel.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I realized after kribban's comment that I vastly oversimplified the issues involved with overpopulation. I'll back out before I accidentally show any more of my ignorance here.

(OP is still stupid for thinking that fictional representations of couples having babies is anything like real world overpopulation.)

[diorama23.livejournal.com]

I know some women who have babies because it's expected, not because they want to have babies.

[foxhound.livejournal.com]

Exactly what I came here to say.

[lemon-m.livejournal.com]

Comprehensive sex education, reliable birth control(that's affordable), and advancing women's rights and education.

This, this and this, specially the first one.