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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-11-12 03:40 pm

[ SECRET POST #1775 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1775 ⌋


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Re: Seriously?

[identity profile] diorama23.livejournal.com 2011-11-12 11:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I live in a country which has a population shortage and a employment shortage, we don't have enough people to fill the jobs we have. And the Government responds by encouraging people to have more babies and giving people money to have babies. Meanwhile, we have refugees risking their lives to come here and the Government is like 'fuck off' and most people are like 'fuck off' because those people are brown.

The country I live in, is a first world country, it's Australia. If we can't accept refugees then we're assholes. And I'd say the same with any first world country.

Re: Seriously?

(Anonymous) 2011-11-12 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Did you even read the reply? You've been told over and over again why functioning and peaceful governments (who have worked hard and long to evolve their functionality and peace) don't simply fling their borders open to all, you're just not hearing it.

Re: Seriously?

[identity profile] diorama23.livejournal.com 2011-11-13 12:02 am (UTC)(link)
I guess that whole 'Give me your tired, your poor/Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free' was a limited deal and only restricted to white people.

Re: Seriously?

(Anonymous) 2011-11-13 12:13 am (UTC)(link)
Yep, you're in the sixth grade. Political slogans won't keep a nation afloat. You've been told over and over why every well-functioning nation has strict immigration policies in place, why it works, why it's necessary not just for the well being of potential citizens but the continued existence of the native society as well, you just don't want to believe it. I can't help you with that (and neither can the slogans).

Re: Seriously?

[identity profile] diorama23.livejournal.com 2011-11-13 12:29 am (UTC)(link)
If you're going to keep on telling me I'm a child. I have better things to do with my time other than being patronised online. bye.

Re: Seriously?

(Anonymous) 2011-11-13 12:46 am (UTC)(link)
I apologize. That was unwarranted of me. It just seemed to me like you were ignoring what I was trying to explain to you (the "give me your tired and poor" remark for example) in favor of one-liners and slogans. It irritated me.

But yes, that's a very good slogan. Too bad that human nature and the global economical logistics no longer make it viable. Such is life.

Re: Seriously?

[identity profile] diorama23.livejournal.com 2011-11-13 12:06 am (UTC)(link)
Apologies I'm assuming you're American. I'm no advocating 'unrestricted' immigration, I'm just saying that right now, in the world - there are so many displaced people and nobody willing to take them - and meanwhile in some richer countries there are opportunities and the only reason that I can see why they aren't accepted is because of racism.

Re: Seriously?

(Anonymous) 2011-11-13 12:23 am (UTC)(link)
If that's the only reason you can see, you're not looking hard enough. There are plenty of other reasons.

Listen, I'm not heartless. I understand people are just people and they just want to live and they want to live in peace and in relative comfort. I understand they need somewhere to go. The only way to make sure that the peace and comfort will be there for many more in the decades to come is by strict regulation. Is some of the regulation too strict? Is some of it discriminatory? Yes, it is. I don't have the answer to that, but I'd rather it was too strict than too lax. :-/

But I do know the answer to a declining birth rate is not immigration. Considering how long and complicated and HARD the process of obtaining American citizenship is, that's just never going to work.

Re: Seriously?

[identity profile] mika-kun.livejournal.com 2011-11-13 03:00 am (UTC)(link)
You need to do more research about immigration and the challenges surrounding it. While I'm not going to go so far as to say that racism isn't ever a part of immigration policy, here are also other concerns. Important questions are: Are the people we are letting in going to be able to contribute? Do they speak the language? Do they have the education/skills to work in the jobs for which there is a current shortage of workers?