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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-11-12 03:40 pm

[ SECRET POST #1775 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1775 ⌋


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(Anonymous) 2011-11-13 01:11 am (UTC)(link)
I'll ask this anon because I'm a wuss, but... why?

It seems to me that making sure you're in a stable life situation (which doesn't mean rich, mind, but if you're relying on public assistance such as food stamps or welfare, you probably aren't in a good position to have kids) is only good sense. Being able to provide for all of your child's basic necessities should be a given, and if you can't do that I'm not sure you have any business bringing a kid into the world.

I mean, I grew up in a household with an income below the national poverty level, but my mother was smart enough with her finances that we were never on public assistance programs. Heck, I didn't even realize we WERE poor until I was well into my teens. So I'm definitely not saying a family needs to be rich before having kids, but stable? Yeah, definitely.

Also, I feel I should point out that this doesn't apply to people who did have children responsibly, and then lost jobs and houses because of all the economic fuckery. That's hardly their fault.

[identity profile] kaatsu.livejournal.com 2011-11-13 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
You're absolutely right about the stability thing. Stable living situations are best for everyone, not just kids. The key is to not punish those that do not have stable situations, but to help everyone to be able to create a stable life for themselves.

Yowch. Your mother was poor but raised you well, and the message you took from that is not "poor people can raise children well" or "helping people learn good financial planning skills benefits whole families", but "my mum was one of the good ones"? That's more than a bit awful, man.

this doesn't apply to people who did have children responsibly, and then lost jobs and houses because of all the economic fuckery.

Oh man, no no no. If you think that financial instability is such a bad thing for children and that they should be removed from it, then you should believe in removing all children from it regardless of the underlying causes, surely? Not removing certain children from poverty because their parents were the good sort of parent (it wasn't their fault!), but removing others from the bad sort of parent (they were selfish and irresponsible!) is fucked up blatant classism. Please think about what you're saying.

[identity profile] stella-down.livejournal.com 2011-11-13 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
you can't tell a single thing about a person's aptitude for parenting by looking at their bank account. those theoretical people you mentioned who lost their jobs and houses because of the economy - do they suddenly become bad parents once they miss their mortgage payments? is their entire personality irrevocably altered by their new financial situation? what if a dirt-poor family living off welfare had a kid and then suddenly found an oil well in their backyard and moved to Beverly Hills? are they better people now?
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[identity profile] stella-down.livejournal.com 2011-11-13 06:16 am (UTC)(link)
I was making a reference there, lol.

[identity profile] amuseoffirebane.livejournal.com 2011-11-13 06:20 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry, reposted the comment because it didn't embed the way I wanted. But I had a feeling that was an on-purpose reference, too specific to be otherwise XD

[identity profile] amuseoffirebane.livejournal.com 2011-11-13 06:17 am (UTC)(link)
what if a dirt-poor family living off welfare had a kid and then suddenly found an oil well in their backyard and moved to Beverly Hills?


I'm sorry but I can't not post this.