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[ SECRET POST #1791 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1791 ⌋

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I don't think I could ever understand this viewpoint on humanity. It must be miserable hating every human being on the face of the planet. Why would you even want to?

Plus, do you hate yourself too, or do you think that every human being is a horrible person *except* you, or something?

(I wonder this every time Stephenie Meyer says she's "anti-human")

wild-mass-guessing: stephenie meyer is really a vampire

Wouldn't that be a great tweest? For all our complaining about how Twilight vampires aren't real vampires - it turns out THEY ARE!

Then we murder them.

But I'd prefer that all our complaining is right, and she's still a mary sue.

Only she's totally writing the kind of thing she wishes vampires were as opposed to the nosferatu wearing a glamor creature of the night thing she actually is.

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joshua-glass.livejournal.com - 2011-11-29 02:13 (UTC) - Expand

Maybe they're depressed? I become pretty misanthropic when I'm in an episode.

And for the record, atleast when I'm feeling misanthropic, I do hate/despise the entire species, including myself. In fact, the self-hatred and loathing I feel is usually the strongest and often culiminates in the occassional suicide attempt, or if I'm lucky just some self-mutilation.
I feel disgusted for being human, I feel disgusted knowing I am an capable of such horrible things. I feel like if I were to kill myself, it'd be one less parasite on this planet. I feel like I watching something I love being destroyed by myself and my kin and it is a tortuous and shameful feeling.

I hope this gives you some insight into the mind of a misanthrope.

That could be. And I'm sorry you've struggled with that.

It's okay, I've gotten a lot better with handling it these days. Thanks for your concern though. :)

Please, GROW UP!

seriously. followthemoth is a trendy teen who HATES EVERYONE AND OMG NO ONE UNDERSTANDS ME AND WHY ARE YOU EVEN TALKING TO SOMEONE AS WORTHLESS AS MEEEEE...

and then they grow up and graduate high school.

Please, READ THIS (http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_depressive_disorder#Signs_and_symptoms)!

WOW. Way to understand how being fucking depressed works. I fucking forgot people like you and reply!anon existed. How fucking despicable. Seriously, you both better click the link to depressionthat the nicer anon gave you and educate yourselves on this shit.

And before someone says "other people have it worse so nobody should be depressed," a lot of people with depression DO think that. It makes them more upset that they know they have good lives and yet feel depressed anyway. It doesn't fix shit. It makes them feel all the more shitty and selfish and stupid. My friends with depression, even untreated, are generally very caring people, too, who will go out of their ways to do things for their friends.... when they can summon the willpower or are having good days.

tl;dr you are an ignorant fuckhead.

I agree. :/ I would never want to have that viewpoint.

This is actually a really good point. You sound like the kind of person I would enjoy talking to, as I feel precisely the same way.

I actually feel some measure of pity for people that declare they despise humanity in general. I feel like that closes you off to so many good things about human nature, like compassion and endurance. People screw up, but it's just part of life; sometimes the ugliest points in humanity can help the better aspects shine all the brighter.

Yeah. That's pretty much how I feel. Plus, it just seems...weird to put a blanket statement on humanity as a whole. IMO humanity covers a huge spectrum of people and personalities, from the vilest monsters to practical saints. To dismiss the entire bulk of humanity because of the actions of some seems sort of like throwing out the baby with the bathwater to me.

I can't help but wonder if media has fostered this feeling in some of my generation, too. It feels like there were a lot of cartoons when I was a kid that painted the entirety of humanity as if they were some sort of fantasy monsters.

"Why would you even want to?"

That seems like a really strange question to ask about something that someone believes to be true. It's akin to asking "Why would you want to believe that the earth orbits the sun?" It's not like it makes them any happier; it's the position they think corresponds with the truth. They're not picking and choosing the truth based on what makes them happy.

I get that to some degree, yeah. But at the same time, you have to put some energy into the stuff you believe in, too, particularly if you feel really strongly about it. Beliefs are a choice to at least some degree, particularly since it usually means you have to dismiss the arguments of another side. For example, in this case...it seems to me like you would have to dismiss every single moment someone did a good thing for you, even little things like holding the door open for you when you're loaded down with packages.

For maybe another example, I believe that there's a God. On one hand, this is something I really strongly believe, so it's difficult for me to see the world otherwise. But on the other hand, I have to put in the energy to defend my believe from the evidence and opinion of people that say there isn't a god. If I chose to do so, I would find a lot of resources out there to instruct me on why I am wrong, and why I am a fool for choosing to believe what I believe. If I really wanted to, I could probably change my belief. It might even be easier than I'd like to think.

I have no idea if I'm making sense, though, honestly.

I don't think the argument is that people are always bad in every detail; I think the argument is that human beings are, in general and on the whole, bad. They can do good things, but this is infrequent, uncommon, and against type. They are much more commonly venal, short-sighted, self-centered, greedy, cowardly, and thoughtless. Certainly, there are frequent examples of this part of human nature as well.

I think it's an interesting point about the importance of argument, but it doesn't seem to me like you can just surrender and give in to the arguments; you may be convinced by them, but you can't choose to be convinced by them, or at least I can't. You can stop listening instead of defending your position, but that's not at all the same as being convinced of the rightness of another position.

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rebelwithaclock.livejournal.com - 2011-11-29 02:03 (UTC) - Expand

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rebelwithaclock.livejournal.com - 2011-11-29 03:16 (UTC) - Expand

I've struggled with how much I hate humanity for the past.....almost 10 years. I think it's human nature to fuck each other over, that we're manipulative and cruel and generally stupid too (obvsly this isn't as bad as the rest, but it makes me sad to think about) and just don't give a fuck about anyone but ourselves. I think there are definitely genuine and caring and compassionate people in the world, and I go through life trying to be one of them because I don't want to be a dick like all the others (and also because it kind of comes naturally, cause underneath all the loathing, I'm soft. If you've ever heard "every cynic is just an idealist who's had their heart broken too many times", I dunno if it's ALWAYS true but it definitely is for me) but I also think those people are few and far between and surrounded by oceans of assholes.

I don't believe this because I want to, but I'm pretty much incapable of thinking otherwise. I basically lost my last vestiges of faith in humanity right in time with my first depression spiral, and when I'm really deep in one, I think I'm horrible too no matter how hard I try to be a good person. (And then I'll get to thinking I'm useless and complete shit and can't do anything right and should just kill myself because I have such a better life than SO MANY PEOPLE out there and I'm doing nothing and helping no one - hell, I'm probably hurting people without even knowing it because I'm actually an asshole and I'm wasting air just being here, etc, but that's what depression does.)

Sorry, I realize all this is probably kind of uncomfortable when you really asked a simple question. =/

For what it's worth, the fact that you keep trying to be a good person in spite of your deeply held belief that you aren't one makes you a good person in my book. And the fact that you are one of the few good people out there in an ocean of assholes means you're definitely not a waste of space.

Like you said, there aren't enough good people in this world. We still need you in it.

Oh dude, that's...thank you ♥

(I'm actually doing kinda okay right now! I mean, the nature of having your brain work like this is that it's gonna start again eventually, but yeah. ~~now I feel like I came across as fishing for encouragement or whatever? Damn. but~~ this means a lot. Thank you, kind stranger :D)

Re: tl;dr csb AND possible tmi incoming

(Anonymous) - 2011-11-29 07:39 (UTC) - Expand

Actually, I've been studying anthropology and it's not human nature to fuck people over. Humans are one of the few species with empathy, and we're able to empathize on a much larger scale of the other species with empathy. It's in our nature to take care of our elderly and sick, and in hunter-gatherer tribes it's a guarantee that everyone will be fed, regardless of who got the food or how old you are or if you're sick, everyone will be fed. The problem is human culture, mainly capitalism, which makes us think that our main goal is to work for our selves, for individual success. That concept of individualism is what fucks people over.

Here, have a video on the subject, which I'm just going to link to because embedding isn't working. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AWnfFRc7g)

..That's pretty fucking cool, actually. (Though we definitely aren't the only animals - the only example I can think of right now is geese, but there are more. When one of the geese in a flock gets wounded or sick, two others will land with it and take care of it while the rest of the flock moves on. Then after the one either gets better or dies, they'll join another flock to get where they were going [this is mostly during migrations]. Geese are just generally team players, I think, you know how they migrate in that Mighty Ducks flying V? The one at the front tip of the v is working the hardest and faces the most wind resistance, so the rest of them honk to encourage it. Then when it gets tired it flies to one of the back corners and another takes a turn. /csb)

You are not alone- I feel the same way.

♥ it sucks but at the same time it's good to know it's not just you.

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