[ SECRET POST #1791 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1791 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 08 pages, 179 secrets from Secret Submission Post #256.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[sandor051.livejournal.com]

To be honest. Yes, I believe this to be the case.

I guess it'd be most accurate to say my approach is close to Peter Singers.

And you're simplifying everything into one category, entirely ignoring nuance. 'Animal' as a category is almost meaningless. A grasshopper isn't a pigeon, isn't a dolphin. All these things exist on a continuum and have different moral value associated to them. I fail to see how you can argue otherwise.

And it may be totally normal for that to happen in Asian countries, but I don't subscribe to cultural relativism (p. much because you can't and still hold to moral facts, you either believe in an absolute moral truth or collapse into nihilism, anything else is an intellectually incoherent half way house.) so believe it to be wrong.

[twistedbones.livejournal.com]

If you're planning to eat them, then yes, to me a grasshopper is a pigeon is a dolphin.
I do argue otherwise, I've done so for the last few comments.

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

Moreover, using "intelligence" as the basis of whether or not killing is morally justifiable is extremely dangerous territory, because many animals are more intelligent than developmentally challenged humans. A dog is more intelligent than a baby, but you'd be hard-pressed to find someone who'd argue killing either is morally equivalent. You might argue that the baby has more "potential" to become intelligent, but this still doesn't solve the quandary of mentally handicapped humans, who don't.

...Eerily enough, after pointing this out, I have found people who will admit (in private) that this does mean killing a dog is worse, morally, than killing the mentally handicapped.

Which is horrid. But the logical conclusion of this kind of thinking. At least they're consistent.

[sandor051.livejournal.com]

(On Singer, as referenced above) "He said, "I think this has made me see how the issues of someone with these kinds of problems are really very difficult".[22] In an interview with Ronald Bailey, published in December 2000, he explained that his sister shares the responsibility of making decisions about his mother. He did say that, if he were solely responsible, his mother might not continue to live.[23]"

Which is to say, I'm not sure I'd go as far as him, but he makes some extremely compelling arguments. I guess mostly I'd puss out and go down the route of the inner life of a human being effectively unmeasurable, and whilst someone may on the surface appear to be less intelligent then some of the higher life forms we can't know with certainty this is the case so have to hold the sanctity of their life over say a dog.

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

That's a very interest point. I'd agree with you that I'd probably puss out myself with a anthrocentric rationale of the morality of championing one's own kind/putting their lives above those of other species, but...

...I wonder how many people, if, say, the zombie apocalypse happened and they had a choice between caring for a dog or caring for a severely mentally disabled human being (they don't have enough resources for both) would honestly choose the latter. With no one watching.

[(Anonymous)]

tbh I would choose the dog if the person wasn't someone I knew and if I wasn't part of a group who could help care for the person. if there's a zombie apocalypse, then you would probably have to be on the run a lot and someone who couldn't care for themselves would slow you down a lot and become a huge burden.

and also, I'm a terrible person

I'm glad I'm anon