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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-12-22 07:42 pm

[ SECRET POST #1815 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1815 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 41 secrets from Secret Submission Post #259.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 2 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

[identity profile] p-zeitgeist.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 05:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, perhaps I was being a bit telegraphic. Let's break it down a little.

If your assertion is simply that most modern men aren't Austen fans, that's clearly right. Assuming that when we say "most" we mean a simple majority, most modern men don't read novels at all; Austen's books are a small subset of the general set of novels, and by no means the most popular subset; ergo most men do not read Austen. Similarly, those who love Austen will be a subset of those who have read her, et cetera, et cetera. (The same is actually true of modern women, who are somewhat more likely to have read Austen, but are less likely to have read her books and love them than to believe they love Austen based on popular culture and movie/tv adaptations -- which bear very little resemblance to the books.)

So if that's what you mean, we agree.

However, I have the impression, perhaps incorrectly, that your assertion is that it is so peculiar for a modern man, as contrasted to a modern woman, to love Austen that you require all sorts of special pleading from an author to make it convincing that a man of our time would do so. As far as I can see you have no support for this but your own immediate experience. You may have a very wide set of circles of acquaintance, but even so what you have there is at best anecdotal experience that is inconsistent with anecdotal evidence brought forward by others in this very thread. So you can reasonably say it feels weird and unrealistic to you; you can't reasonably say that it's objectively weird and unrealistic.

At least, not on the level of individual characters. If you take it as an aggregate, it might be weird and unrealistic -- or at least, weird and an illustration of how the laws of statistics don't mean you aren't going to see what look like implausible runs now and then -- if you take all the fic you're complaining about as an aggregate, and say that what's off is to have, say, 80% of all modern male characters turn out to be rabid Austen fans. But they're not one set for is-it-plausible-for-this-character-to-be-reading-this purposes. They're just a bunch of individual characters, and you have to judge the plausibility of them thinking highly of Austen individually. And when you do that, we're back to a universe where, in the experience of large numbers of us here, it is not implausible for a modern guy to be into Austen at all.

Not even one like, say, Alex Krycek. Jane Mortimer did a brilliant job with a Jane Austen-loving Alex Krycek some years back. I don't have a link handy, but something tells me you wouldn't want one anyway.

[identity profile] viceindustrious.livejournal.com 2011-12-23 08:47 pm (UTC)(link)
this is a wonderful comment