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fandomsecrets2011-12-23 07:20 pm
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[ SECRET POST #1816 ]
⌈ Secret Post #1816 ⌋
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Oh and look how the Brig was treated by Three. And I don't like Jack very much or Rory. Oh does ADRIC? Get respect? Or Harry where everyone is like: LOL CLAM!
Turlough? He's my favorite mainly because he's SO interesting... Because he's so twisted! Also to me he's a twink.
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In regards to the men I primarily meant that there are fewer of them so they're more likely to be less popular.
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Of course your only thinking of New Who and I'm counting New and Classic Who.
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And I have never seen the sexism much, well not in regards to old who.
Look you might even call me sexist the way I feel about most the female companions in New Who. I liked Donna, Wilf and Adelaide. But that's because I don't think Rose, Amy, Rory were well drawn. And Jack, he was cool to start with but then got less so, also John Barrowman looks far to much like a Ken Doll which sickens me. I think like Rory, Mickey was kind of a stock character so was Jackie.
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New Who fandom uses a lot of sexist rhetoric to explain why they don't like [insert companion here]. I know everyone has personal taste and not everyone is going to like the same characters. But things like Rose being "clingy", River being "smug", Donna being "shrill", Martha being "whiny", Amy being a "slut", I would qualify those as sexist statements rather than good (or not problematic) reasons to dislike a character.
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Donna was interesting and got my sympathy.
And yeah they are sexist.
You don't hear those things in the OLD who so much.
Why aren't you in the Old who fandom, it's fun! The old show is great! So much more creepy, atmospheric, dark and layered then the new one. And Oohhh curse of Fernic. And the Tomb of Cybermen. OR the light hearted romp that is City of Death which was written by Douglas Adams.
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I'm not in Classic fandom so much because I haven't seen much of it and haven't particularly enjoyed what I have seen. It's alright, it's just not really my pace or style -- the serial format doesn't work very well for me. It does seem like the Classic fandom is a happy little niche mostly without wank amongst itself, though there are the periodic Classic-vs-New clashes.
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Personally, I don't think you can make a good contribution to the fandom or have an informed opinion if don't watch both.
Heck someone told me in another thread the Doctor doesn't kill anyone... I had to correct them as he has.
To me Old who should be like wine keep watching until you get the taste for it. Then come back to the fandom.
This has gotten me into trouble. I have friend who can't watch the old series either and I don't grudge her. But she's NOT in fandom and that is what bugs me.
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I've tried watching Classic Who. My general aim is to see a story per Doctor, and so far I'm just missing Six and Seven. I've even listened to one of Eight's audios. But I'm just not that into any of it, so it's unlikely I'm going to sit down and spend hours catching up on the things I haven't seen. I wouldn't expect anyone to feel obligated to watch something they're not enjoying just because they enjoyed another part of it. If they only like Moffat's writing, so be it. If they only like Classic Who, so be it. If they only like the newer stuff, that's up to them. I would say I'm pretty familiar with Classic Who, via a mixture of watching things and reading up on it, but of course I'm not as well versed in it as someone who has seen it all. I don't think that means I can't have opinions on New Who as an entity.
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That argument you made, makes me kinda sick.
Time and Rani, had the Rani in it. I loved the Rani before but I hated that episode.
Heck I like Deadpool comicbooks, but I haven't read all of them and since I haven't I don't do anything in that fandom.
I like Blake's 7 but as I'm episode four of season one I'm NOT in that fandom either.
To me a person should only be in the fandom community when they have seen the whole work (or much of it as out or around). If not then lurk or don't be in fandom.
Seven I'd say Curse of Fenric. Six well Vengeance on Varos or The Two Doctors.
Also this my bias but with expect for one or two drooling fanboy. I've found the Classic who fandom seems to be smarter or maybe I've seen one to many: "I LUV TEN-INCH's (HEE-HEE) HAIR and BUTT!" and "OMG! BARROWMAN!" Post
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It's not like I'm going to write a long meta post about Harry based on a paragraph I read on Wikipedia, or a fic about Zoe without having seen any of her serials. But I'm perfectly qualified to talk about Rose, Martha, Donna, Amy, River, Jackie, Bad Wolf -- anything in the New Who umbrella, because I've seen it, I know it, I've engaged with it on a fan level. I don't need to know absolutely anything form Classic Who to know how I feel about Rose's relationship with Jackie. Those things aren't related at all. The only time this argument sort-of applies is when you come to the Doctor himself, since he's the only constant on the show, and even then, New Who was designed via Time War so that new viewers could leap right in without much or any knowledge of the Classic stuff.
There are lots of TV shows I like but I'm not in the fandom for because I don't have that level of interest in the text. I think that being in fandom does require a base knowledge of the canon. But there are many kinds of canon in Doctor Who, and there are many subsets of fandom. There are people who have only seen Eleven's seasons. Does it bother me, as a fan of the stuff that came before? Sure, I think they're missing out. But that doesn't mean they're unqualified to talk about Amy Pond, because they've seen all there is to see about Amy Pond.
I know lots of smart people who prefer or have primarily only seen New Who. I'm sure there are smart people in Classic Who fandom as well. Someone being attracted to an actor or actress doesn't preclude them being intelligent.
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But it's not really anyone's fault that they happened to get into the show at a particular time and have a preference for it. I'm too young to have grown up with Classic Who, and I'm sure that's part of why the style is so foreign to me. Of course the stuff that's airing on TV right now is going to be quite popular in comparison to the stuff from twenty, thirty, forty years ago. It sucks if that's where your interest lies, but that's just the nature of how it's going to work. Considering the age of some of the Classic material I think its presence online and in fandom is pretty impressive.
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They guys are always the but of the joke in Doctor who.
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And honestly they are never a good read on what most normal viewers are taking away form a show or what they want from it.
Most people I met in real life who like Doctor Who don't have any strong feelings about the companions, or they just think Rose was sweet and/or River is a bad ass, or whatever. Or they just want to talk about Daleks.
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