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Yeah, Optimus is a fairly boring character here. All he does is fight or sprout out some wisdom he probably found on his desk calender. There's some interesting moments between him and Megatron which actually made for an awesome season finale. We all know Megatron wants his boyfriend back anyway. XD
"I meant benevolent more in a hands off kind of way. Other than Starscream, he doesn't appear to fully raise his hand against the other mechs, though it could be said to be somewhat implied. Breakdown and Knockout seem in awe of him, but it doesn't smack of outright fear. Then again, they're Decepticons and this show is about as black and white as it can manage to push itself, so it might just be their brazen evil. I don't put leaving a soldier to their own in quite the same category of outright blasting them himself. Though, given that they seem to have few numbers, it really does seem like a stupid move to make."
I think Prime!Megatron values strength. If someone goes against and shows his weakness, then Megatron considers you unworthy, so forget that weakling. Well, it certainly fits the big, dumb shark (yeah, I like calling him a "shark" XD). TFA Megatron I see as someone who truly think is fighting for the Decepticon cause. He's rough, but he's a lot more subtle, quiet, and as you said, aloof. There is that intimidating factor and yeah, I can totally see him aggressively attack his own, but likely because they themselves weren't being loyal in the first place. I guess one could say Prime!Megatron and TFA!Megatron does treat their fellow 'Cons in the same way, but through different means. At best, we can agree that TFA Megatron is loads smarter and honestly looks like he knows what the hell he's doing. I personally like that TFA Megatron isn't the kind to really SHOUT EVERY SINGLE SENTENCES LIKE A HAMMY DUMBLOCK LIKE PRIME!MEGATRON. Oh gods, the ham in Prime could stretch as far as the cheesy dialogues. XD
"He was shown in the first episode to have bent Starscream's wing. So there was definitely some intimidation factor there and Starscream reacted pretty much as if it was the status quo."
But that's Starscream, everyone abuses Starscream. XD Nah, joking, I get what you mean. I completely forgot that.
"and their inclusion of the fact that the Autobot government was a pack of dicks really made that show interesting to ponder. I don't give it nearly enough credit in my memory."
Agreed. The exploration of very gray territories for both the Autobots and Decepticons were a treat. Yeah, in the end, it's still a general good vs. evil, but I love the idea that all the Autobots aren't always good. They have their flaws like everyone else and perform questionable acts,even if it's to their benefits. I'm also very intrigued that the series in general seem to indicate that the Autobots are xenophobic and often narrow-minded people. I love the idea of the Decepticons, though clearly looking out for themselves, actually has a very good justification to see themselves as freedom fighters and fight for their rights. Damn it, TFA is such a redheaded stepchild and deserves a lot more than what it got. Where is Season 3 on DVD, Hasbro? D:
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This is definitely true. Granted, I didn't have quite the squee attack that my friends did, but it was still the most interesting thing that happened in that whole thing. I think I was slightly distracted by their flash back implication that Orion's voice was such like the voice of an angel that it made the entire Council cry and make him Prime. Though, from what I hear of Exodus, that isn't quite the case, but I don't know what to think about the entire Exodus>Exiles>War for Cybertron>Fall of Cybertron>Prime thing. It kind of seems like they had a board meeting with all the heads of these teams, gave some skeleton outlines and split. It's hard to say what should be considered actual carry over. And this isn't even counting the comic side stories for all of these.
TFA Megatron I see as someone who truly think is fighting for the Decepticon cause.
I really liked this about TFA Megatron. I know his bio stated that he thought of himself as a freedom fighter. Just wish more of that would have made it into the dialog writing for the show. There are hints, but the good vs evil deal does tend to take over.
I personally like that TFA Megatron isn't the kind to really SHOUT EVERY SINGLE SENTENCES LIKE A HAMMY DUMBLOCK LIKE PRIME!MEGATRON. Oh gods, the ham in Prime could stretch as far as the cheesy dialogues
If I could put that dialog on a pizza, I'm pretty sure that it'd be more than even I could handle. I appreciate that they were trying to go epic in TFP, I guess, but I agree that it's like they bit off more than they could chew. A lot of it is just really painful, though I can't always speak for Megatron. Sometimes I'm busy pissing everyone off by barking while he goes nuts. So, to be honest, I might not have heard his every line over the course of the show.
I'm also very intrigued that the series in general seem to indicate that the Autobots are xenophobic and often narrow-minded people. I love the idea of the Decepticons, though clearly looking out for themselves, actually has a very good justification to see themselves as freedom fighters and fight for their rights. Damn it, TFA is such a redheaded stepchild and deserves a lot more than what it got. Where is Season 3 on DVD, Hasbro?
I was sad when it got cancelled. It was starting to go in a really interesting direction, and I seriously doubt they could just catch Megatron up and hope to keep him. And I think there were hints of the xenophobia in old Marvel, but nothing so widespread. It was adorable and I loved the throw back talking to the mechanics and thinking humans were pets at first. And man, the Autobot Council felt like almost as much of a bad guy as the Decepticons for the main cast. The experiments to make Omega Supreme? The creation of the Jet-Twins? Wonderful gray area.
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Didn't squee, but I did give them props for genuinely pulling an awesome plot twist on me.
"I think I was slightly distracted by their flash back implication that Orion's voice was such like the voice of an angel that it made the entire Council cry and make him Prime."
BUT DON'T YOU KNOW HE'S ROBOT JESUS? XD
"Though, from what I hear of Exodus, that isn't quite the case, but I don't know what to think about the entire Exodus>Exiles>War for Cybertron>Fall of Cybertron>Prime thing. It kind of seems like they had a board meeting with all the heads of these teams, gave some skeleton outlines and split. It's hard to say what should be considered actual carry over. And this isn't even counting the comic side stories for all of these."
Yeah, I'm not even going to bother connecting this with that. Besides, I always thought when they meant by Prime being in the same continuity as Exodus and War for Cybertron and whatever is more that they share a "same universe". Much like how the IDW G1 comics contradict some of the stuff in G1 (from what I heard, I'm not going to even pretend I know everything), but they "share" it anyway. In short; I try not to think of it before I get myself a massive headache.
"I was sad when it got cancelled. It was starting to go in a really interesting direction, and I seriously doubt they could just catch Megatron up and hope to keep him"
You have the AllSpark Almanac II? It reveals plot details on what Season 4 could have been. But yes, Megatron escaped jail. It sounded awesome.
"It was adorable and I loved the throw back talking to the mechanics and thinking humans were pets at first. And man, the Autobot Council felt like almost as much of a bad guy as the Decepticons for the main cast. The experiments to make Omega Supreme? The creation of the Jet-Twins? Wonderful gray area."
Taking your word on the Marvel comic version. I'm actually only a recent fan to the TF lore, so I have 27 years of stuff I need to catch up on. D: Watched some G1 (will work on rest), and will get to the Unicron Trilogy. That one in particular is going to take some time: I just watched the first three episodes of Armada and I almost died from sheer stupidity. One baby step at a time, Neo.
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I'm pretty sure that this is what they meant, but I do think that these guys reference one another more than those other universes did, too. Then again, Exodus contradicts itself in the same book, so it's just part of how many cooks they've got in the kitchen, I think.
You have the AllSpark Almanac II? It reveals plot details on what Season 4 could have been. But yes, Megatron escaped jail. It sounded awesome.
Nope. I think I need the AllSpark Almanacs, but man is this an expensive fandom to try and keep up with. I don't tend to dabble and play in TFA, which is a shame. I kind of avoided it at first, but it grew on me and surprised me with those little hints of depth. And yeah.... Blurr's death... wow. It was just thrown out there.
Taking your word on the Marvel comic version. I'm actually only a recent fan to the TF lore, so I have 27 years of stuff I need to catch up on. D: Watched some G1 (will work on rest), and will get to the Unicron Trilogy. That one in particular is going to take some time: I just watched the first three episodes of Armada and I almost died from sheer stupidity. One baby step at a time, Neo.
...I wish you the best of luck. One of my more prolific fic friends tends to say that canon is more 'guidelines than actual rules'. It's way easier to think of everything like that if you go cross continuity. Because, wow. I love G1 in that trainwreck kind of way that people like things they enjoyed as children. But it's awful and ridiculous. Hilariously ridiculous, which makes it entirely watchable in that laughing to keep from crying kind of way.
As for Marvel.... there are things that no one wants to talk about in there. Years of old comics doing what they could to bring comics to the print floor? I mean. There is insane going on throughout the years. I keep meaning to watch Armada, but really want to get it in sub. I like watching shows in the original language they were created in, and boy is that an awful dub from what I've seen. But I also have a hard time watching the anime versions because.... well.... it's so anime. I have TF Victory, but we've only managed to get through a few episodes while shaking our heads. I never went G2, Headmasters or Masterforce or any of the rest, either. Ugggh. Sooo much.
Though, I highly recommend Beast Wars. Fan favorite concepts like sparks and 'slag' as a curse word all came from them. The CGI is really old, but it does improve after the first season, and Mainframe had the most beautiful sense of humor in their writing. Very sad they got bought out.
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I have a love for behind-the-scene stuff and artbooks/supplementary materials in general and both AllSpark Almanacs are amazing. Chock full of goodies for the series, including plot details on what Season 4 would have been. If you're interested, the first one is about 15 bucks at Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Transformers-Animated-Allspark-Jim-Sorenson/dp/1600104878/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1326419385&sr=8-1
"I love G1 in that trainwreck kind of way that people like things they enjoyed as children. But it's awful and ridiculous. Hilariously ridiculous, which makes it entirely watchable in that laughing to keep from crying kind of way."
Oh, who doesn't have or guilty pleasures and whatnot? I watched the 1986 TF movie and though it's not going to win any award for best story, I think that film is kick ass. Awesome soundtrack, awesome animation, awesome epicness. It's pure entertainment and honestly, really stupid. But I love that film. Sometimes the really bad and/or ridiculous can be fun. ^^
"well.... it's so anime. I have TF Victory, but we've only managed to get through a few episodes while shaking our heads. I never went G2, Headmasters or Masterforce or any of the rest, either. Ugggh. Sooo much."
Damn it, I forgot about those. Soooo much.
"Though, I highly recommend Beast Wars. Fan favorite concepts like sparks and 'slag' as a curse word all came from them. The CGI is really old, but it does improve after the first season, and Mainframe had the most beautiful sense of humor in their writing. Very sad they got bought out."
Beast Wars/Machines is something I watched as a kid back when it aired, so I'm way ahead of ya. Of course, back then, I had no idea it was part of a much bigger franchise. I did rewatched BW last year and still amazed how well it holds up. Will get the DVD boxed set one day.
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I'm laughing inside since it looks like these went up in price overnight. They're 20 now. I might keep an eye on them, though. Would be worth taking a look.
Sometimes the really bad and/or ridiculous can be fun. ^^
Honestly, if you're in the TF fandom for the long haul, tolerance of bad is a bit of a requirement. Take what's good and nod along with the rest. That's pretty much the entire history of the franchise....
Damn it, I forgot about those. Soooo much.
Sooo much. The GI Joe vs Transformers comics. Dreamwave. And I heard Energon was so awful. So awful. I know lots of people who watched Armada but couldn't go any farther in the Unicron trilogy because of hte rampant levels of bad. And this is from people who watched G1 all the way through Headmasters.
I did rewatched BW last year and still amazed how well it holds up. Will get the DVD boxed set one day.
I think if I had to really pick an absolute favorite for all of TF, Beast Wars would be it. I also saw it back when I was younger and it was airing and didn't make a connection to the entirety of Transformers. But the characters. The humor. The characteeers. Dinobot, Rat Trap. Inferno. The list goes on and on of amazing characters I love to bits for being the morons they were written to be. Back then it probably didn't hurt that it was made by the guys doing Reboot, either.