[ SECRET POST #1835 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1835 ⌋


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Wait wait wait, she used Chola in Born this Way?

...*runs off to double check lyric sites*

OH DOG DAMN IT LADY GAGA. My iPod has been clear of ethnic slurs since ever, and you freakin' ruin it! It's unlcean now.

*deletes song* And I really liked that one too. Sure, I had to ignore the Orient bit because I knew that was not PC, but going into straight out ethnic slurs is a whole other issue. Now I understand that person ranting about how Gaga doesn't get to 'reclaim' those words. For heavens sake, Chola doesn't even make sense! It isn't only ethnic, but it's sexist as well since it applies only to Hispanic women. If you needed a two-syllable word to describe a community 'latin' could have done ok, even if there is some debate about it.

Arrrrrgh ok, now I don't like Gaga even slightly. She is either clueless, or a complete sell-out.

(Also, did not know drag queen was insulting. Thought that had been reclaimed. Ah well, shows you just how out of touch I am with the LGBT community. *shrugs* 'Least I don't pretend to be the LGBT sponsor.)

[(Anonymous)]

As far as "drag queen" goes...reclaiming only works when someone from the minority it applies to is using it, though. A gay man referring to himself and his gay friends as "fags" is reclaimation. If a straight person calls him a "fag", it's still a slur.

Lady Gaga is not a sweet male transvestite, so "drag queen" isn't her word to reclaim, either.

I find it pretty appalling that she apologized for her use of "retarded" in a press release, but has yet to apologize for "chola."

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, I meant more 'reclaimed' as in 'it has been reclaimed for so long that it's ok now'. I can't remember the last time I heard a person use it negatively rather than just a quick descriptor. But like I said, not really a part of the LGBT scene despite being Bi myself. Whereas with the f word or the n word there is still a lot of fresh wounds about it and it is extensively known as bad, especially since it is still in the process of being reclaimed rather than already reclaimed. (AKA people still use it as a insult all over the place. A word is fully reclaimed when the insult version no longer is in use.)

And definitely agreed. Seriously, she should apologize for chola. If you know enough to know the word exists, you should know enough to know you should never use it. Yikes.

[(Anonymous)]

Not to defend Gaga, but chola is only sexist if you pretend cholo doesn't exist.

[(Anonymous)]

Except she only used Chola, and in a place where it really didn't need to be. Also, maybe my spanish is rusty, but isn't the masculine usually used as the gender-neutral if you are talking about a group with both men and women?

IDK, it's just a bizarre and stupid choice all around. Personally I find it perfectly ok to think both Chola and Cholo are sexist against their respective gender. *shrugs*

[fuchsiascreams.livejournal.com]

Maybe she didn't know? I mean, I'm biracial and I've been calling myself mulatto for years, and I had no idea that it was actually an offensive term.

[(Anonymous)]

I had no idea it was offensive. but i'm not american, so, dunno, maybe it's different over there.

[(Anonymous)]

Damn. You do it old school. I've only heard that word from period films.

[followthemoth.livejournal.com]

Matbe it's not offensive in the States?

I always thought it was an offensive term, but I heard people using it very casually when I went to the South, so I dunno.

I'm Canadian, btw.

[fuchsiascreams.livejournal.com]

Same, I'm also Canadian. But yeah, I mean, I had no idea that it was an offensive term until a couple of months ago, so.. it makes me wonder if maybe Lady Gaga wasn't aware, either?

[followthemoth.livejournal.com]

Probably. US and Canada are big enough countries for the language to be different depending on what State/Province you are in.