[ SECRET POST #1835 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1835 ⌋


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Comments

[imnotasquirrel.livejournal.com]

OT/tangential: I remember getting a new edition/printing of The Egypt Game by Zilpha Keatley Snyder a few years ago. One of the characters is black, and "black" was how they described her in the edition of the book that I first read. Imagine my surprise when I cracked open this new edition and saw that they had removed all references to "black" and replaced them with "Negro." Wut. I'm guessing that they just reverted back to the first edition text (originally published in the 1960s - there're also some Asian characters who are referred to as being oriental). I wonder if it was a conscious decision or just something that slipped through. Seems like a pretty big mistake for it to be the latter, though.

[(Anonymous)]

You have to remember that, not only does the word "oriental" seem less offensive in the UK than the US, its continued use reflects a different need. In the UK, someone being "Asian" suggests they are from the Indian subcontinent, from where we have had a lot of immigration in the last 50 years. I have to really concentrate to remember that, when Americans say 'Asian', they mean China/Japan general area. The association with 'Asian' being related to the Indian subcontinent is very strong, such that calling an Oriental person 'Asian' just feels as wrong as calling a native Swede 'Asian'.

Even when people have a feeling that 'Oriental' might not fly anymore, you can see people in the UK really struggling to express what they mean when 'Oriental' is the word they need. There doesn't seem to be a handy alternative.

[imnotasquirrel.livejournal.com]

I'm aware of the associations in the UK. What's wrong with "East Asian"? Seems pretty handy to me. In the US, we say "South Asian" (for example) if we want to specify that we're not talking about East Asian people. Or, alternately, you could just say what they are exactly - Chinese, Japanese, Korean. No need to lump us all together if you know our exact ethnicity, we're not homogeneous or a monolith. I really don't believe that "Oriental" is the only handy expression available.

But even so, like I said, that's not relevant here because Lady Gaga is American, not British. And since you replied to my comment about The Egypt Game, I'll point out that TEG is an American publication as well. So what flies in the UK is not a defense here.