[ SECRET POST #1840 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1840 ⌋


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Comments

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

Ehhh, MLP is far from the only fandom out there with a high visibility of male shipping fans, though, and it's certainly not a tongue-in-cheek thing for many of them. Even male MLP shipping fans do heavily invest in pairings and create canons - it's not fair or accurate to write them off broadly because you've seen a few jokes about it on the internet. They also write serious, massive multi-chapter fics about those pairings. There are jokes and memes in any fandom. See my comment below for my theories on that; I think it has far more to do with the representation of female characters in the media. If the vast majority of canons revolved around female characters I probably would have zero desire to ship, too. In fact I do have zero desire to ship those few canons that are.

Also I'd be extremely hesitant to draw any essentialist conclusions about gender differences in viewing pornography, since virtually all of those studies are conducted utilizing porn that is by men for men and with virtually no realism or diversity. There are a number of theories that what women are really picking up on there is eroticized male desire, and that men also pick up on eroticized female desire when present - unfortunately, live-action pornography made by women for a presumed female audience is slim to nill.

[relmneiko.livejournal.com]

Anna Span? Candida Royalle?

It's not as rare as you would think. Porn by female directors tend to aim for an audience of both men and women, though. It doesn't give me the "girly zone" feeling that, (even pr0ny) fic tends to.

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

Good point, there are some out there, but I have yet to see it ever used it a psychological study. It's always as vanilla as possible.

[relmneiko.livejournal.com]

The porn is, or the psychological studies are? Because some of the stuff by women directors is pretty hardcore (http://www.xcritic.com/columns/column.php?columnID=1179). That Erika Lust dreck just gives woman-directed porn a vanilla name.

I'd speculate the reason that good stuff's never been used in a psychological study is that the people doing those studies are not porn connoisseurs but people out to prove some kind of gender-essentialist or anti-porn feminist point. But I don't really know.

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

The psychological studies. One of my bffs is a psych grad student, she shows me a lot of interesting shit that people do indeed seem to use just to prove their point.

[relmneiko.livejournal.com]

I'm rather curious. So do they just pick and chose their material? Because that doesn't seem like valid research.

[ariseishirou.livejournal.com]

The good ones? Following genuine scientific curiosity about human psychology? No.

The ones out to prove their political viewpoint, be it conservative or feminist or what have you? Yep they suuuuure do. As an example, my friend showed me a recent study about gender and intelligence. Most IQ tests show little correlation, or only slight correlations between gender and certain sections, like visual-spatial (slight advantage to men) and verbal (slight advantage to women). This psychologist had found a startling 6.3 point difference in favour of men in general intelligence across the board.

In order to get it? Discarded any and all tests that didn't advantage men, including the largest of its kind ever performed, in Mexico, with literally hundreds of thousands of data. There was a thorough rebuttal in Science about it, but in psychology journals? Not a peep.

Oh and the dude still defends his results as valid. And still has his job. It's straight up fucked. I don't know why psychologists get away with such lax standards compared to other scientists, but they suuuuuure do.